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Anyone try putting a small diesel engine into a Bonny? Any experience at all with motorcycle diesels? I have heard of Enfields in India with a Fuji diesel in them- any picts or info?
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Because they get 200 mpg- noone has one- something a few dieselhead buddies of mine have been discussing. Oh, here's some picts of a British rally last year- http://www.dieselbike.net/BritishRally07/Britishrally07.htmand of the Enfields- "Royal Enfield in India was the only manufacturer that has built a diesel motorcycle in mass production. They put a 6.5 hp industrial diesel, in the frame of the British-based Royal Enfield. Because of pollution laws this bike is no longer produced. It was one of the most fuel efficient Bikes in India returning over 200 mpg." http://www.peace65.freeserve.co.uk/Pictures/royalenfield.htm
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Do a search on diesels in the other bikes forum. I've posted several pics of diesel bikes. Here is a good one: http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...true#Post276198As to the "why?" question, cuz they are way cool and seriously fast.
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A little off topic - if only we could get a wider selection of diesel cars & small trucks here in the states...
Imagine (once again) a small pickup turning 30 or 35 city MPG ... (sighs)
or more than just a TDI flavored cage to choose from. (double sigh) As a shopper currently in the market to buy a used vehicle, the TDIs are sky high and very very scarce. A nationwide search yielded too few available units, and all were priced way too high due to current fuel prices, IMO anyway.
Imagine a 275 or 330 gallon tankful of state & federal tax free red 'diesel' fuel in the cellar... (triple sigh)
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We have an Enfield that used to turn up in the summer with a diesel engine in, he says he used to get around the 200mpg mark, will take some photo's in summer if it turns up..
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A little off topic - if only we could get a wider selection of diesel cars & small trucks here in the states...
Imagine (once again) a small pickup turning 30 or 35 city MPG ... (sighs)
or more than just a TDI flavored cage to choose from. (double sigh) As a shopper currently in the market to buy a used vehicle, the TDIs are sky high and very very scarce. A nationwide search yielded too few available units, and all were priced way too high due to current fuel prices, IMO anyway.
Imagine a 275 or 330 gallon tankful of state & federal tax free red 'diesel' fuel in the cellar... (triple sigh)
I agree, I've always thought Dodge should put a diesel motor in the Dakota. VW stopped making the TDi for a couple years now too, that doesnt help the used market. They are supposed to come back with it next year, luckily I found one used for a great price and bought it last year. My friends made fun of my car because its a Beetle, but only until I said 45mpg.
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I think Diesel engines are a natuarl for motorcycles. However, I am working on a project to build a bike around an Austin 975 inline 4. Just cause my last major project was an Austin Healey Sprite MKII, and I have a spare engine. I plan on giving it distinctly British looks and include some parts from an Austin Healey sprite and 100-6.
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Okay, after tom posted the picture, and hearing about 200 MPG, I'm convinced, your diesal idea is interesting. I apolagize.
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That was mighty big of you man...its good to see that kinda attitude.
check out the headlight on that rat bike, its made from a huge piston.
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A little off topic - if only we could get a wider selection of diesel cars & small trucks here in the states...
Imagine (once again) a small pickup turning 30 or 35 city MPG ... (sighs)
or more than just a TDI flavored cage to choose from. (double sigh) As a shopper currently in the market to buy a used vehicle, the TDIs are sky high and very very scarce. A nationwide search yielded too few available units, and all were priced way too high due to current fuel prices, IMO anyway.
Imagine a 275 or 330 gallon tankful of state & federal tax free red 'diesel' fuel in the cellar... (triple sigh)
I agree, I've always thought Dodge should put a diesel motor in the Dakota. VW stopped making the TDi for a couple years now too, that doesnt help the used market. They are supposed to come back with it next year, luckily I found one used for a great price and bought it last year. My friends made fun of my car because its a Beetle, but only until I said 45mpg.
I promise I will keep it short.
The new VW bluetecs will be arriving in July 08, 50 state legal. The jetta will be LEV without the use of Urea injection. which is big.
I agree we need little pickups with diesels.
Anyone catch that AUDI ad in the superbowl? That beauty is a v-12 tdi 500hop and 750+ftlbs of torque.
I don't understand why the US has some many restrictions on light duty diesels. I blame the wannabee greenies.
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I blame the wannabee greenies.
And rightly so too. The entire diesel industry has taken huge hits over the last couple of years. The greenies wont be happy until everyone is walking, riding bicycles or taking public transportaion. It's not really about emissions, it's about money, power and control.
A few years ago, Cummins was planning on making a smaller diesel motor for Chrysler for the Dakota and Durango. But, Mercedes decided they would do it themselves, and it ended up with only the Liberty having a diesel.
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I agree, I've always thought Dodge should put a diesel motor in the Dakota.
They offered one in that toy pickup they used to get from itsy bitsy. It didn't sell very well. They also had a Perkins diesel in the 1/2 ton in the 60's and it didn't sell well either but, that might have been because it was slower and used almost as much fuel as the inline slant 6. If someone were to overcome the high torque - low RPM nature of the typical road going diesel, you might see one in the Dakota. Until then, they aren't likely to design a heavy duty Dakota frame that can stand up to a diesel because it would cost as much as a Ram. A scaled down engine wouldn't work out because it would not perform as well as the present V6 and, because of the EPA induced high price of fuel, it probably wouldn't even match the economy of the V8. By the way, torque is the reason you can't get a diesel 1500. There is enough room for the engine and gearbox but the frame isn't up to it.
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You can put a cummins 4bt into a dakota pretty easy,its a 4cyl turbo that the old bread trucks used.
The problem is people hear diesel and think trucks emitting lots of smoke. So the only american diesels to catch on are pickups and currently due to emissions standards are only available in 3/4 and up. Now I don't need a full size truck every day. I like the liberty diesel and have almost bought 1. But I'm still not convinced of some of the design.
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The entire diesel industry has taken huge hits over the last couple of years.
Roger Penske got out just in time by offing Detroit Diesel at the dawn of the ULSD agenda, but he is one very smart mutha------ anyway.
They say he has a house on Martha's Vineyard with a DD powered genset big enough to power Akron.
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Interesting note there Bucky.
The diesel in the liberty was a build done by what used to be perkins and detroit.
Ford has been talking about a rover diesel in the F150.The main reason we don't see diesels in half tons isn't frame strength its purely emissions, the regs are tougher for 1/2s and down, conversely easier for 3/4 and up (commerical and all that.)
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like this one.........  click HERE for more info
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I blame the wannabee greenies.
And rightly so too. The entire diesel industry has taken huge hits over the last couple of years. The greenies wont be happy until everyone is walking, riding bicycles or taking public transportaion. It's not really about emissions, it's about money, power and control.
A few years ago, Cummins was planning on making a smaller diesel motor for Chrysler for the Dakota and Durango. But, Mercedes decided they would do it themselves, and it ended up with only the Liberty having a diesel.
Soren
So easy to blame everything on some group or other.
The fact is that the American public has been hesitant to embrace diesel powered vehicles. This probably come from years of conditioning by smoking, smelly, noisy trucks, and those old Mercedes that wouldn't get out of their own way. Not to mention the Oldsmobile abomination of the late '70s.
Modern diesel technology has quieter, cleaner and more powerful engines than ever, while getting phenomenal mileage.
The Liberties engine is a VM Motori made in Italy. The Grand Cherokee has a Mercedes diesel option. I don't know how their sales are.
Ford offered a diesel engine in the Ranger pickup in the early/mid '80s that ran forever and sipped fuel, but sales were weak.
It may take a while, but eventually we will see more availability of diesel engines, including in motorcycles.
If you want to look for the opposition to widespread diesel use, look no further than the industry that stands to lose profits if people burn less fuel.
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Re: " uuhh , why " ? Oh , a LITTLE Diesel . Now I get it , I'm just used to 2,000 pound + units . I don't know if there is a minimum displacement for the Diesel effect to work . I've just never seen one smaller than a Subaru - class knocker . Would be cool , though , come up to a stop with the little Jake brake rattlin' windows .
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The grand cherokee option hasn't been selling well since this year you can only get them in the fully loaded option.
Diesel is coming back into vogue.
Honda will be coming out with an accord diesel, and possibly an odessey diesel. Subuaru is talking about it.
And it is very easy to put blame on the regulation.
Go to europe, south american, mid east basically anywhere but here. And look around. You can order Audis, BMWs etc with multiple flavors of diesel in the UK.
Not here.
Diesel Rovers, wranglers etc all off the show room floor.
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The price at the pump for diesel scares some away. Around here, diesel is 30 cents per gallon higher than 87 octane gas. Diesel fuel has been in production for around 100 years, and the refiners have the audacity to claim there are shortages, and so manipulate the price. 100 years of 'practice' and they don't yet have a handle on how to make enough? [cough] bulls--- [cough]
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The way I look at it is I make almost twice the mileage with my TDI jetta that I would with a gas jetta. So I end up paying less.
Its the "planned maintance" that shuts down refineries right at peak times that gets me man.
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It's too bad diesel motors command such a premium in large trucks. I REALLY hope they smarten up and come out with a diesel Wrangler soon! If they put a small diesel in an H3 I'd drool too 
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The price at the pump for diesel scares some away. Around here, diesel is 30 cents per gallon higher than 87 octane gas. Diesel fuel has been in production for around 100 years, and the refiners have the audacity to claim there are shortages, and so manipulate the price. 100 years of 'practice' and they don't yet have a handle on how to make enough? [cough] bulls--- [cough]
I think it's a supply and demand thing.
There hasn't been a huge demand for diesel in private vehicles, so production is behind the curve.
As more come on line, the smart businesses are going to ramp up production to get the sales.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch (Detroit) the focus remains on huge displacement gasoline burning engines, thus dooming the American auto industry.
(Unless Jones comes along and slaps some sense into them).
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Wow, That Neander 1400 turbo diesel. class act all the way
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And there's also the added cost at time of purchase. When you add from 5 to 10k more to the sticker price for a diesel. You have to keep a vehicle for quite a while to offset any advantage. And while a well made diesel engine will last a very long time, I don't know about the cars and trucks they put them in. Not a wise buy for most ordinary folks and their transportation needs. I by the way have been a diesel mechanic for the last 30 some odd years in the trucking industry. I don't want one in my personal truck. Could be im just tired of smelling diesel fuel. 
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And there's also the added cost at time of purchase. When you add from 5 to 10k more to the sticker price for a diesel. You have to keep a vehicle for quite a while to offset any advantage. And while a well made diesel engine will last a very long time, I don't know about the cars and trucks they put them in. Not a wise buy for most ordinary folks and their transportation needs. I by the way have been a diesel mechanic for the last 30 some odd years in the trucking industry. I don't want one in my personal truck. Could be im just tired of smelling diesel fuel.
I know what you mean. I've been working on the yellow iron (and green, and puke green, and orange etc.) for a long time too. I would get a diesel in a one ton pickup if I needed the towing capability, but I don't.
I thought it was funny, the Cummins in the Dodge. A 500,000 mile engine in a 50,000 mile truck
I would consider a diesel in a half ton though, if one (and an appropriate one at that) was offered.
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Added to powerball to-do list - get M1030M1 JP8 for Winter rides bike
And towing your backhoe out of a ditch if you get it stuck...
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They have an article on that in the new Cycle World.
It's based on a KLR 650, and the company will be offering a civilian version.
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that company has been saying that for 5 years and they will "never" sell one bike to a civilian as long as they can find any military unit anywhere that will pay probably $25,000 per unit. So don't hold your breath
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Part of the reason for the current (and future) price of diesel is the mandated regulation for ULSD - Ultra Low Sulfer Diesel - which costs more to produce AND may result in less performance. Going from 500+ ppm to 15 ppm. Here's a site with some further info... Clean Diesel They won't be happy till we're living in caves again....
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heres a custom diesel rat bike i seen a awhile back
I thought tha was Robert Plant 
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