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There are things on this photo worry me. The shadow of his leg on the motor, you can almost see it starts to show his boot but his foot is on the ground so that part of the shadow would be showing under the motor on the ground. Then the pipes they just don’t fit they look rather old. I would expect the pipes that they would use on the production motor to be in place as they are part of a performance issue for the bike. Then the motor still looks like a Jap motor to me. I think I will buy a Honda 
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When Triumph comes out with a V-Twin i am buying a Hyosung. 
Start shopping, Triumph had a V twin 5 years before Harley did. 
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Photoshopped or not - Keep the engineer and let him do the engineering on the new bike, but for Pete's sake hire a designer or a stylist. This thing is so ugly I'm starting to taste my lunch again.
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When Triumph comes out with a V-Twin i am buying a Hyosung.
Start shopping, Triumph had a V twin 5 years before Harley did.
Nothing wrong with a Hyosung. This one should do quite nicely.
I shall call her PeeWee-Rod. 
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the right exhaust header is plainly seen just in front of the rad. You can't see the right side of the rad simpley because it is thin and the angle of view. The shadows all look correct to me and as far as the sharp lines and smugges, It looks like a whole ****** of alot of dirt.
I think it looks pretty genuine.
I think you've been watching too much CSI miami...LOL-just kidding.
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Yeah, I think you're right, Tony. This definately doesn't look photoshoped. I think this is the real deal here.
And now that I look at that engine again, is it me or does the cylinder barrel and head look similar to one bank of a Harley V-Rod's motor or not?!
It's a shame this appears to be liquid-cooled and not air/oil-cooled like our BAs and Speedies are. I was of the hope that it would be, for as I mentioned above, the finning on cylinder barrels is what usually makes for a good looking motor...in my view anyway.
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Its probably 2/3 rds of a Rocket engine turned 90 degrees and the whole bike will change for the better before final production. Guess all you want but we will not know until it is officialy introduced..and my thought is it will be fine.
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 That's the bike my cousin saw Elvis rideing in Roswell, N.M.
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Oh Shoot ! ANOTHER conspiracy theory ! 
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I think I saw that bike on the grassy knowl.
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Don't laugh, that Hyosung 650's got about 15 more HP than the Triumph 865s.
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thats not a photoshoped looks like it was taken with cell phone..and looks very real.. Ed 
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I know one thing, that is a big bike. The rider is a big boy but looks pretty normal on that beast. What kinda oil should I use in it Will my heated gloves over tax the charging sys
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Note to self: Create a custom filter or Action for Photoshop that makes a perfectly good image look like it was taken with a crappy cell phone camera...
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LOL, I took the picture and sent it in. I can guarantee that its 100% real photo , no PS [1] about it. If you read the MCN it even gives you my name, well sort of  [1] Or B.S.
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Holy ******...you guys can't be pleased can't you? You all want a large displacement bike with 100hp and 80+ ft/lbs of torque out of a parallel twin motor. Now let's just pretend this bike is the new large displacement twin and lets pretend further and say it does have the numbers you all desire.
Now I'm no expert, but depending on the stroke & compression this motor is going to put out a decent amount of heat. Most likely enough that the temperature won't be properly regulated by just an oil cooler and cooling fins on the head.
And...you all demand bullet-proof reliability out of this theoretical bike. It just so happens that there has been a technological advance or two in the past 50 years, one of them is to be able to properly cool darn near any engine with the proper radiator system. To a certain extent, I really dig what the Truimph engineers & developers are doing these days, which is striving to build a better bike for a better price. They don't rule planned obsolescence into the picture, they think if you buy a bike, ride the ****** out of it and it keeps going, then you'll get another Triumph.
And...you all make fun of Harley riders for their embrace of obsolete technology, so how's about you all put your money where your loud mouths are. I, for one, after I sell my BA and eventually run my Thruxton into the ground, will never own another air-cooled bike again. It just plain doesn't make sense. You wouldn't buy a car with an air cooled motor would you?
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mark your so right.. some people are just not going to be happy no mater what.... I for one is really looking forward to this new bike.. and mite even buy it... so far i like what i am seeing..... liquid cooled so it can rev higher... and EFI wow.... all the things i want...to give it more power and make it a more reliable bike Ed
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And I'm sure some people will nitpick the fact that they angled the exhaust up to give the rider more clearance...how dare they do something like that as well!
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Mark, Victory makes a 1634 CC mill with 106 foot pounds of torque and 85 HP stock. PLENTY of power. You can do the ton 2-up easily. It'll get 40 MPG minimum unless you're a real throttle slob. I recently got 48 MPG on my Vegas. It's oil-cooled, and I've never heard of any report of these bikes overheating even in extreme conditions. Why would anyone want or need a big ugly radiator on a motorcycle? The Victory appears to be bullet-proof. And even at 670-something pounds dry, it'll out-handle the Triumph twins.  Enough with the spy photos and jibber-jabber. Triumph needs to go to production with the 2009 Mystery Bike or go back to making bras.
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It just plain doesn't make sense. You wouldn't buy a car with an air cooled motor would you?
No i would not, but i wouldn't by a water cooled car if it had the radiator, engine and water plumbing pipes on show either.
Fact is naked water cooled bikes are fugly. In my eyes no one has managed to make a good looking naked water cooled bike yet. Note i say naked bike.
I dont want to ride an appliance, i want a motocycle that has soul, and character. Part of a bikes soul and character comes from its looks.
Radiators are ugly. End of. 
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LOL, I took the picture and sent it in. I can guarantee that its 100% real photo , no PS [1] about it.
If you read the MCN it even gives you my name, well sort of
[1] Or B.S.
I read that YOU sold this photo to mcn here:http://www.triumphrat.net/biker-hang-out/75684-breaking-news.html
Is there ANY WAY you could tell us if you have other photos or at least give us a run down on the bike in text.
IS IT CHAIN DRIVEN? OR A BELT? OR IS IT A SHAFT?
footnote....I'm gonna bet that this is pretty close to what the bike is gonna look like. I posted a few months back that the rumor mill strongly suggest that the only reason why the bike isn't out yet is because they stopped production to add a 6 speed trans. So either 1) they are using this mule to test the 6 speed trans or 2) they DID have a 1500 at first and decided to go with the larger 1700cc engine to make us forget that it only has 5 speeds.
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every time you post latly it looks like you trying to... justify to us and your self why you bought that Victory.. and to be honest i find that bike ugly!!!!! Ed
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But you LIKE the mystery bike?
yup 
I don't even know why post here any more all you do is put triumph down and tell every one how great you vic is....
well i'm glad you like your new bike and I am very happy for you...
but if all your going to do is post negative thing about triumph I for one don't need you around......
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Ed, are you SURE you're not a Harley rider? Truth be told, I've been hanging about waiting for the big release of the 2009 Triumph Mystery Cruiser. I'm going to remain optimistic that it'll be improved from what's been shown in the spy photo. But thanks for asking! 
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LOL, I took the picture and sent it in. I can guarantee that its 100% real photo , no PS [1] about it.
If you read the MCN it even gives you my name, well sort of
[1] Or B.S.
Hey I wasn't saying it's a fake. It just gave me that idea. Would make it easier to mess with people in the future. And a fake wouldn't have to be perfect - a lot of touchup sins could be covered up by the cell camera filter.
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It just plain doesn't make sense. You wouldn't buy a car with an air cooled motor would you?
No Beetle (proper ones... ), no camper van, no Porsche (early ones anyway)....to name but a few. Some of my favourite vehicles.
Some cult vehicles.
Yep some watercooled bikes do look ugly, but you are being shortsighted. As I've said in the other thread over this, this is NOT THE FINAL BIKE. Give it six months or however long to the launch and it could look completely different.
But then I'm sure some people on here said the Rocket III was ugly when that came out too.... 
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It just plain doesn't make sense. You wouldn't buy a car with an air cooled motor would you?
............ No i would not, but i wouldn't by a water cooled car if it had the radiator, engine and water plumbing pipes on show either.
Actually, i have an old air cooled Bug. A 1972 Forumla V Beatle.
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Yep some watercooled bikes do look ugly, but you are being shortsighted. As I've said in the other thread over this, this is NOT THE FINAL BIKE.
No its not shortsighted. Fact is that "IF" this is going to be a water cooled bike then its a 99% probabilty that the radiator will be out front of the engine hanging on the downtubes, and no matter how hard you try you cannot hide it. Unless you cover the bike in body work the ugly rad' will be out front for everyone to see.
To the best of my knowlegde i can only think of one company who successfully managed to hide a water cooled bike's radiator from view and that was Bennelli on the Tornado bike. The radiator on that is under the seat. A very clever design, particually when you take into account they didnt have to hide it. The Tornado is a sport bike wrapped in a full sports fairing. Somehow i dont see Triumph taking that route.
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But then I'm sure some people on here said the Rocket III was ugly when that came out too....
What do you mean...."When it came out too".
You trying to say it got pretty over time. It still is an ugly bike. Its an incredible beast........but ugly.
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And Mark, you also crack ME up...because YOU and I are on the same page here in regards to your thoughts about the relative "beauty" of radiators and water-cooled motorcycle engines in plain sight without barrel finning, and the technological viability of a modern air-cooled motorcycle engine.
And Kevin...stick around here, dude. I for one like to hear opposing points of view, whether it happens to slight this brand of motorcycle i.e. Triumph, or not.
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Dwight, thank you.
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Mark, Victory makes a 1634 CC mill with 106 foot pounds of torque and 85 HP stock. PLENTY of power. You can do the ton 2-up easily.
Couldnt care less. Have a look at the thing. I wouldn't ride that ugly thing in case someone saw me...
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Mark, Victory makes a 1634 CC mill with 106 foot pounds of torque and 85 HP stock. PLENTY of power. You can do the ton 2-up easily.
It'll get 40 MPG minimum unless you're a real throttle slob. I recently got 48 MPG on my Vegas.
It's oil-cooled, and I've never heard of any report of these bikes overheating even in extreme conditions. Why would anyone want or need a big ugly radiator on a motorcycle?
The Victory appears to be bullet-proof. And even at 670-something pounds dry, it'll out-handle the Triumph twins.
Enough with the spy photos and jibber-jabber. Triumph needs to go to production with the 2009 Mystery Bike or go back to making bras.
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Not to get off the subject even MORE then some seemed to have but for the ones who mentioned their dislike of the rad. aren't alone. Two major manufactures (Honda and Yamaha) have recently mentioned that they are doing some extensive research on larger bored AIR COOLED engine designs. They are experimenting with sufficiency issues and cooling issues on them.
and by the way-And I mentioned this on another thread awhile back. The Victorys are VERY quick but to say they handle and stop more superior to the Triumphs is not true.
Nice looking bike though.
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OK folks, long thread and I didn't read it all but how does anyone know that it is a 1700????. Did anybody interview the rider? Was the engine torn down or a spec sheet provided? The engine appears to be stuffed in there and is quite tall. Probably a stroker. Also there appears to be room for a cam cover. That head looks like it is missing something. questions, questions. I guess just have to wait and see.
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in reguards to a parallel twin if you want 100hp and 85tq you can always go the 1200stroker route and keep the same bike you have Frank
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OK folks, long thread and I didn't read it all but how does anyone know that it is a 1700????. Did anybody interview the rider? Was the engine torn down or a spec sheet provided? The engine appears to be stuffed in there and is quite tall. Probably a stroker. Also there appears to be room for a cam cover. That head looks like it is missing something. questions, questions. I guess just have to wait and see.
the member here who is the one who caught the shots is the one who tipped MCN as to the displacement. according to the link that I mentioned above. ya know, before the thread took a left turn at Albacercy.
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You wouldn't buy a car with an air cooled motor would you?
Nope dont want a porsche,or a VW 
But I would buy an air cooled twin bike rather than a water cooled. - Guess thats just me
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Howdy Folks. I talked with a seriously reputable individual today in regards to this subject. This person has an invitation to the Annual dealer's meeting that is coming up in July in England. He told me that in his conversations with the Triumph Product Development Manager, there will be 4 versions of the larger bike coming out this year. Did NOT say what size (1700cc-ish, maybe). I brought this subject up to him today saying "I've seen a picture of the 'rumored' 1700cc Triumph". He said, "Rumored? It's not a rumor. It's going to come out this year, in 4 different versions. The only reason it hasn't been out yet is Triumph saw Harley had a 6-speed, and Triumph wanted to put a six-speed on their bigger bike too".
I trust what this guy says. He never gave any credit to the rumors until recently when he talked with the head Product Development Guy at Triumph.
We'll see in July.....
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