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When a Motorcycle crashes, the Police and Politicians call for the banning of 'high powered' motorcycles and 'young riders'.
Just heard the local news and yet again that a 'young' motorist in his 'hot hatchback' has been killed when their car has hit a tree. I have lost count of the times that has happened in the last couple of years. It seems to be at least once a month.
As cars seem to be immune to power/age restrictions, then I'm surprised that we don't hear the politicians calling for the felling of all trees ?
Now there's a campaign that would get right up the crease of the Town Hall and Safety Camera Partnerships.
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Every time a young person (especially), crashes and dies there is a "somethings gotta be done" attitude and rightfully so but then commen sense takes over and poeple realize that they cannot take away the rights of poeple to drive or just be on the streets and sometimes that's all it takes to get killed. All you can do is make areas safer and teach young poeple as much as possible during their driver ed. training. stop signs will be missed, speeding will occur and mental errors will be made. it is human nature.
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they cannot take away the rights of people to drive
Oh yes we can.
And we should of those who have proven themselves to be a danger to others.
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they cannot take away the rights of people to drive
Driving is a privilege and must be treated as such. It is never a citizen's right. 
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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You have to remember that in this country we are restricted on motorcycles till 2 years after a bike test, or if you are over 21 you can take a test on a bigger bike. Cars - if you pass your test on your 17th birthday you can then go out and get the most powerful car you want and drive it. Subject to being able to afford the insurance of course... It narks me. I had to take the test on a bigger bike to ride the bike I wanted to but the 17 year old lout can get what ever car they want to. Then kill themselves. Many years ago, my then boyf went out at lunchtime with some other apprentices in a car. The bloke had only passed his test a month or so earlier. He took a corner far to fast and didn't have the experience to cope with it when it went wrong..... Car drivers should be restricted more than motorcyclists. 
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To drive or ride, people should have to qualify for the license the same way as for a pilot license. A minimum of 40 hours in-flight training, 20 or 40 hours of ground school, (I forget which) pass tests concerning navigation, operations, calculating weight and balance, flight physics, etc. and then you get a restricted license that allows you to practice for more tests.
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I'm surprised that we don't hear the politicians calling for the felling of all trees ?
LOL!! That one would go over real well here in ultra enviromentalist Oregon. Would be very funny to see what would happen if anyone brought that up here. Maybe I should run for governor... LOL.
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Actually, according to the constitution, it is a right. The right of unregulated travel. When the gummit started issuing driving licenses, that right went away. More rights folled suit and soon America became subjects rather than free citizens.
Anyone giving up liberty for security deserves neither...paraphrased from B. Franklin
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As much of a Constitutional as I am, I'm not sure I quite agree with that. Travel is unregulated - except for air which is an angry rant all it's own. Travel between cities and states is free and open, and you can choose any of a number of different ways to get around. Regulating operator ability or condition or vehicle doesn't restrict travel.
I don't think the government should regulate anything, except to protect life and property. Motor vehicles are inherently dangerous to both when in the hands of idiots (i.e., most drivers).
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Actually, according to the constitution, it is a right. The right of unregulated travel. When the gummit started issuing driving licenses, that right went away.
The word travel does not appear once in the US Constitution. It could be reasonably argued that Article 4, Section 2, Clause 1, presumes the right to travel between states when it says that a citizen of one state shall have all the rights of a citizen of another state. You don't have an explicitly stated constitutional right to travel within the country, but since you are not restricted from interstate travel, the 10th Amendment implies you have the right anyway.
Driver's licenses imposed by the states are entirely constitutional under the U.S. Constitution, which basically says the State can do anything it wants to, as long as the Constitution does not expressly forbid it. Again, operating a motorized vehicle is a privilege not a right and should be treated as such.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Now Dwight. If that were the case, we should be out of idiots by now. According to Chucky D., they should be extinct (or at least on their way out  ). Instead, they seem to be increasing in number by leaps and bounds. O' course that could just be perception altered by encroaching geezerhood 
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AH! But you're forgetting one salient point here, Bill: Humans, being at the top of the food chain, have no natural predator, and thus the forces of war, pestilence, ignorance, or even carelessly speeding without regard to the life and/or property of themselves and others will never be enough to check their growing numbers. (and so...what the world needs now isn't love sweet love, but rather a super gigantic sabre-toothed tiger or MAYBE something like out of one of those Twilight Zones episodes ..which BTW are running as a marathon on the SciFi channel as we speak..where the ironic twist at the end of this particular one is that the book the aliens gave us "To Serve Man" turned out to be a COOK BOOK, remember?!)  
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Yep and even more ironic is the monster episode is on right now where the little boy wishes things into the corn field and makes things happen with his mind.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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But a super-predator race (like the one from the movie "Predator" for instance) would kill without regard to the intelligence of it's prey. Stupid and smart would both be meat. Environmental, technological and social factors, on the other hand, should weed out the deficient. That would be natural selection (which BTW, is a theory that I don't necessarily totally disagree with). It doesn't seem to be working in this case though. 
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AH! But you're forgetting one salient point here, Bill:
Humans, being at the top of the food chain, have no natural predator......
Two words: POLAR BEARS! I'm always keeping a look out for the furry rascals. They give me the heebie jeebies ........
Look out Britney!
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Travel IS unregulated, go walk, ride a horse, or so on. Reality is that the govt has the right to tax your modes of travel, and with that right, they can regulate the methods and thus set requirements to operate different modes.
I detest how there is always some opportunists who wants "solutions" after some event or accident, and always want govt to be the source and adminstator of the "solution" and in reality, it just creates a bigger problem for all and govt just get more involved in our lives, which is the major problem of all.
I learned to operate/drive a tractor ( not a lawn mower, a REAL tractor ) on my ninth birthday, and learned to drive a truck when 12. Its all in proper instruction and experience. If people choose to not invest in learning how to do things, then the results they get are of their own choosing.
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If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and will never be.----Thomas Jefferson
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Pterodactyls. Like Adam Carolla's "Terry" that takes the annoying celebrities off to the volcano - we need an army of pterodactyls perched on rooftops watching for idiots. When they see one, whoosh off to the volcano.
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But a super-predator race (like the one from the movie "Predator" for instance) would kill without regard to the intelligence of it's prey.
Stupid and smart would both be meat.
Oh contaire, mon a mi!(sorry for the use of french here, dude)
You also may be forgetting that the one dude who was bright enough to get the upper hand on the title character Predator in that particular movie, while those of inferior intelligence around him became but Foie Gras(sorry for the french again), was also bright enough to parlay his fame into becoming the governator of California a while later!!!(like ol' Honest Abe said, "You can fool some of the people......")
And so I submit: The more intelligent(or at least those who can act that way on screen) WILL always survive!!! 
I think I've got cha there, Bill!!! 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Oh and Sarge....sorry to inform ya, but Pterodactyls were only good for one thing, and THAT was to transport Fred, Wilma, Barney and his hot, hot wife Betty to Hollyrock, so they could have their brush-with-greatest by meeting Stoney Curtis!  (I thought EVERYBODY knew THAT!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Well. The Governator certainly is adaptable . (Good thing for him the monster was fictional  )
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Well then Bill, maybe The Governator ought to stop trying to adapt to Sacramento and maybe he should go back to his true calling...fighting fictional monsters...like KILLER TREES!!!
Now, if I knew for certain that my money wouldn't go into some kind'a campaign war chest later, I'd certainly pay to see THAT, dude!
I mean come on...as Governator all he can do is sign or veto bills about Killer Trees.(seems vetoing gets the nod around here)
But as a super hero once again, the dude could finally take care of this menace, once and for all!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Actually, according to the constitution, it is a right. The right of unregulated travel. When the gummit started issuing driving licenses, that right went away. More rights folled suit and soon America became subjects rather than free citizens.
Anyone giving up liberty for security deserves neither...paraphrased from B. Franklin
Dave
Dave, I agree with you in one way.
I took my wife, kids, and grandkids on a fishing trip a few years ago and on the way back we encountered a very long line of congested traffic on the two lane road. After about 20 minutes or so we had finally gotten to the front of the line and to the cause of the traffic jam.
There were a few police cars there and two policeman out in the road waving me to stop my van. I ask him what was going on and he simply said I need your drivers license, registration, and insurance verification card and said it was a police check point. (He called my license in for warrants I assume )The other cop went around my van and checked my license plate and inspection sticker. My grandkids were worried and ask me what was wrong and I assured them everything was ok. 
It was obviously a stop to check for warrants, revoked licences, drunk driving, drugs, or anything else that violated law. There were a couple of cars on the side of the road being searched.
Myself, my van, and my family checked out ok and he told us we could leave. In parting, I told him we had been fishing and sarcasticaly ask him if he had forgotten to ask for our state authorized "travel papers."
He didn't like my comment and told me again to leave and I parted with a quick "Oh, ok I thought we were in russia or china."
I understand that drunk drivers and drug dealers are a dangerous theat to our lives but wholesale detentions, arrests, searches, etc aren't the way to do it.
Any government can snare a lot of undesireables and criminals by going car to car, or house to house, or phone to phone, but I don't think thats a good idea in a free society IMHO.
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Well then Bill, maybe The Governator ought to stop trying to adapt to Sacramento and maybe he should go back to his true calling...fighting fictional monsters...like KILLER TREES!!!
My money's on the trees.
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...and yet another youth wraps himself around the old oak tree in his 'hot hatch'....2 in 9 days 'round here....and an inquest where a woman swerved into a tree and her 3 year old daughter died...
Them trees are out to get those cagers !
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