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This is for all you managers and supervisors out there. In your job, who wants people working for them who gives feedback and differing view points, or people who always agree and do whatever you say. I know this is really general, but I just want to get a sense of if there is a majority. For me, I always want feedback, new ideas, and people who are not afraid to speak their minds but once a decision/direction is made get the work done. This to me is the very definition of profesional. My boss, however is completely different and this sometimes gets me into trouble. He wants blind loyalty from the very beginning, and can't understand why anybody would disagree with him. Ooops I started venting already. 
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Thats a fine line. Like you I enjoy the feedback and I like to hear new and innovative ideas. I ahve also been able to see some of said ideas come to fruition. On the other side I hate it when this is taken to an extreme and that one person (cause it really is always just one person) disagrees with everything and spreads their bad attitude like a cancer.
But that is what management is about. You have to deal with all types and give everyone a chance.
My favorite part of management... development of people. To help them see they are capable and to help them understand how and why.
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For me, I always want feedback, new ideas, and people who are not afraid to speak their minds but once a decision/direction is made get the work done. This to me is the very definition of profesional. My boss, however is completely different and this sometimes gets me into trouble. He wants blind loyalty from the very beginning, and can't understand why anybody would disagree with him.
You're an optimist and see value in others, your boss sounds like an insecure pessimist. Just my .02.
I've always told my boss and my employees that I don't need to know everything - as long as I know who does. I know how to listen and believe that nobody knows more about how to do something than the person who deals with it every day.
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Respectful input was always welcome. An even more important skill for a manager is to ask the right questions and learn how to listen. Someone skilled in this area is always getting input from their subordinates. Read the book, "Coaching for Improved Work Performance" by Ferdinand Fournies. It's an execellent primer for managers. Coaching for Improved Work Performance Or check out www.sullivision.com. Jim Sullivan is a managerial guru/consultant for the restaurant industry. It's frustrating to work for a boss who doesn't listen.
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Ouch... this one hits sooo close to home. 3 steps above me on the corporate food chain is a megalomaniacal yuppie idiot. He is currently setting our entire operation back about 25 years.... Now, back to the question... I supervise 48 men, 24 every other week as they rotate shifts each week. These are mechanics, welders, machinists, and painters. I have no delusions about my importance - they are the ones who get the work done. They are the ones who know the tricks, the smart way and the best way to accomplish their tasks. We work as a team. I treat them like men, not "numbers", and they appreciate that, as anyone would. I constantly seek their input. We couldn't survive otherwise. Any man who thinks he knows it all is both a fool and a danger to those around him. You can quote me on that.... 
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Even though I'm supposed to expect blind obedience, I would rather explain the task and let them get it done however it gets done...or in these immortal words:
"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity."
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I like Bob, Keith, and Norris, but don't like Ray or Dave....
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I supervise 48 men, 24 every other week as they rotate shifts each week. These are mechanics, welders, machinists, and painters.
I have no delusions about my importance - they are the ones who get the work done. They are the ones who know the tricks, the smart way and the best way to accomplish their tasks. We work as a team. I treat them like men, not "numbers", and they appreciate that, as anyone would. I constantly seek their input. We couldn't survive otherwise.
Any man who thinks he knows it all is both a fool and a danger to those around him. You can quote me on that....
I had the same experience for 25 years, 30 to 60 stagehands everyday, always new to me in a new workplace so I relied on their experience in their "home field" and any plan that I saw wouldn't achieve the objective got reworked to suit my goal. And, everyday I had at least two or so that were unwilling to adapt to achieve the goal so they got the "because I said so" treatment; some workers are just that way and can not be led gently. The better workers were always happy to see us return the next year, the unwilling rarely kept their position long enough to be on the call 12 months later.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I just got out of a position where my manager pretended to like to listen to what you had to say. Then did things his way anyhow. Or if you presented a neat, ingenuitive idea it was always poo-pooed and set aside. Amazingly enough those ideas would reappear 6, 12, 18 months later as his new approach to something. Maybe dressed in different clothing but the same idea never the less. This completely squashed my creativity in the workplace, then my motivation and then I became the cancer on the team. Thank god for all that I was able to get out of that. Ticks me off because I really liked the job I did there but I couldn't continue to live under this type of management style. The new position probably kept me out of jail. I know my new boss personally but don't yet know her management style. I am thinking this is going to be a better relationship overall and I will have a little more free rein with my creativity as long as I stay in budget. I get to build another new lab for this company. Different technologies but still in my baliwick. I am pretty excited.
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The most successful and best run companies actively seek advice & input from all employees, regardless of position and job stature. Southwest Airlines is one example. Some companies (Jacobs Mfg/ Jake Brake) go so far as to maintain an ongoing competition to see who can supply the best idea(s) per week, month, quarter, year, and so on, and offer tangible rewards such as dinner for two to the winners.
Who knows better how to improve a process than the person faced with the task at hand?
Another key ingredient - no secrets. Everyone knows everything about the company.
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I like Bob, Keith, and Norris, but don't like Ray or Dave....
Hey, who likes Dave anyway?
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Unfortunately, ours is a Union shop, and I have no choice in who is on my crew. I learned yesterday of my new crew that will start here at the Hangar on the 7th...I lost 2, and gained 2, one excellant the other a deadbeat. They are all "bid" positions, and must qualify, or be in the process of being qualified to perform engine run, aircraft taxi, autoland qualified (test to keep aircraft autoland certified), and supertug qualified. This guy, a type 2 diabetic, has no business in the left seat of ANYTHING, let alone a 600 million dollar aircraft, but he was awarded the position, and now I have to get him certified in all these catagories...not gonna happen, he'll flunk out for sure, then they will have to re-bid the whole thing....AHHHHH Union protection....
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Just for the purpose of conversating(cause I'm bored outta my mind today)..... what does being a diabetic have to do with anything?
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Just guessing here...but I'd think having someone with a greater possibility than most of going into hypoglycemic shock or coma while in control of a multi-engine jet is a bad idea.
My uncle quit racing bikes for pretty much the same reason.
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For someone who's always been employed "at will" in a management position, that situation has always been a puzzler to me. Quote:
Unfortunately, ours is a Union shop, and I have no choice in who is on my crew. I learned yesterday of my new crew that will start here at the Hangar on the 7th...I lost 2, and gained 2, one excellant the other a deadbeat. They are all "bid" positions, and must qualify, or be in the process of being qualified to perform engine run, aircraft taxi, autoland qualified (test to keep aircraft autoland certified), and supertug qualified. This guy, a type 2 diabetic, has no business in the left seat of ANYTHING, let alone a 600 million dollar aircraft, but he was awarded the position, and now I have to get him certified in all these catagories...not gonna happen, he'll flunk out for sure, then they will have to re-bid the whole thing....AHHHHH Union protection....
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Unfortunately, ours is a Union shop, and I have no choice in who is on my crew. I learned yesterday of my new crew that will start here at the Hangar on the 7th...I lost 2, and gained 2, one excellant the other a deadbeat. They are all "bid" positions, and must qualify, or be in the process of being qualified to perform engine run, aircraft taxi, autoland qualified (test to keep aircraft autoland certified), and supertug qualified. This guy, a type 2 diabetic, has no business in the left seat of ANYTHING, let alone a 600 million dollar aircraft, but he was awarded the position, and now I have to get him certified in all these catagories...not gonna happen, he'll flunk out for sure, then they will have to re-bid the whole thing....AHHHHH Union protection....
An interesting situation there Mark.
I also (fortunately and intentionally) work union. No one at my job is ever put into a position they are not qualified for. Period.
It's up to the individual to obtain the necessary training and certifications to perform the job. We do maintain a training center for members to upgrade their skills. If someone lies about his qualifications, he is expelled from the union, doomed to work for substandard wages and benefits.
I don't supervise anyone directly, but in my position as shop steward for the last 20 years, I deal with management constantly. Some are self-absorbed idiots who are interested in nothing more than how many
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The one that I got on with the best was known as a complete hardass, and he was (retired about five years ago), but he was totally fair and honest. I always knew what to expect from him when I had to intervene in a dispute.
When he was getting ready to go, he told me that the feeling was mutual (I'm known as a bit of a hardass myself).
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Thanks for all the sound advice and for letting me blow off some steam. I can always count on you guys for keeping me grounded. Of course, as I am sure most of us can attest to, once I got to go out and ride, everything that was bugging me just seemed to disappear. So here is to all of you once again for filling the periods of time so well when I can't go out and enjoy my America! 
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Oh no, all of our mechanics think the company "owes" them a job...they would'nt last 3 days at a real job. They actually curse management if they get a gate call and they have to put their playstation controller down, or get up from a card game...totally out of control, and management has no intentions of implementing any rules. You can go on a field service (broken airplane at an outstation), charge the company 26 hours overtime, and never have a clue as to what their doing, or how to fix the airplane. I have to go up and get the thing and bring it back to Atlanta because the only thing the mechanic is interested in is how many hours OT they can get. Absolutely no accountability...Only in America!!!!
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I am diabetic and 64 years old and am just as capable as anyone else to perform any job for which I am technically qualified. As long as a diabetic is on his medication and monitors it he is as good as anyone else.
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In my line of work we are chaning stuff every day, What was being done 2 weeks ago is no longer accepted in soem cases. We do a lot of peer evals. Pretty much every months you review a peers reports who is in the same jab as you. As in a can not review a RN's reports nor can they mine. What we look as is what kind of medicine your providing to your patient. If I read a report and dont agree with how something was done, does not mean its wrong. Its just how they do it. But we double check each other for "problems". Thats how we supervise each other. As far as our " supervisor" on shift. he has no medical training at all. He makes no calls when it comes to patients, their treatment, and why we do what we do. He is there to make sure the company runs like it sohuld. He makes sure the trucks, helecopters, and planes are staffed. He handels personell(sp) issues, such as being late, not showing up, pay issues and so on. The crews do their best to handel performance issues, if we cant get it takend care of on a 1 to 1 basis it goes to our medical director and he makes a recomendation based on his findings.
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Wow I butcherd that lol,, sorry, cold medicine is working lol
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I herd 14 cats at work, 12 technical and 2 office/admin......I ask for feed back and often recieve it and sometimes actually act on it....I believe an employee that feels uncomfortable giving feedback/suggestions to "the boss" is less valuable to the company......ultimately though.....the mgr/boss takes the hit or praise no matter whos idea....just gotta keep in mind...when a Lt. find that sergent and let him know the score...you make me look good and i'll make you look good..if either of us look bad we end up looking bad together,,so lets work together. 
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As far as our " supervisor" on shift. he has no medical training at all... He is there to make sure the company runs like it sohuld.
Thats sounds like my place of business. I operate a 30ton mobile crane on occasion. My boss has no knowledge of them, but I don't expect him too. But I expect him to come to me for planning of a lift job be for he does it himself and tells our customer it can be done. (Unfortunately some fellow workers think the boss should know everything.) I like a boss that can except his limitations and rely on feed back from the ranks.
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