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I'm in the process right now. I talked to a Triumph dealer this past weekend, and he had some decent news for me. He said that the bluing is a problem with a lot of the TBA's, and he's found a way to get them replaced for free. I'm going to give him my VIN today and see if his plan works. He said even though my bike is outta warranty, he has found a way to get triumph to replace them. It works sometimes but not all the time.
I'll let you guys know the outcome when I get it.
Aaron
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How far out of warrenty? I would love to have mine replaced.
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Usually they have a 2 year warranty. Mine is 1 year out of warranty. According to the dealer.
Finally a dealer that is willing to work with me.
Aaron
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cool thats about what mine is too. Let me know how you make out and what you did. See if you can find out what the dealer said so I can talk to Herm.
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i'd be interested in your old headers....pm me when the time comes.
good luck with getting them replaced.
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Generally if they warranty something out the dealer has to keep the part.
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I would not tend to think that bluing would be an issue on most of our bikes with removal of the AI and proper jetting and pipes?
Mine is just a hair over 18 months old and the pipes are as clean and nice as new.
I have seen bikes that were kept stock and those I think will blue clean through the shields. ?
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mine was blued before I got it with only 700 miles on it. I removed AI and rejetted and now pushing 15,000 it is a little gold not blue but discolored just the same. Would be nice to have them fresh if I could.
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the reason the pipes blue is that they are made from a low grade stainless steel and then flashed chromed. Also from the amount of heat being expelled from the exhaust. Your new pipes will blue just as fast as the old one's. Before you install them spray the inside with 2000% header paint and make sure your bike is jetted correctly. Removal of the air injection is also a must.
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Our header pipes are shielded so of course underneath those shields I am sure there is significant BLUEING for days.
But I have virtually no discoloration on the sheilded headers at all at 27K miles and a year and a half.
I have seen one stock Speedie with around 20 some K kilometers belonging to a gent from Saskatchewan this Summer and his bike is all stock and his shields were badly blued.
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Before you install them spray the inside with 2000% header paint and make sure your bike is jetted correctly. Removal of the air injection is also a must.
...or have them ceramic coated inside. That will spread the heat. AI removal and proper jetting is of course also recommended... 
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agreed, AI removal and correct jetting virtually eliminates the blueing , with my bike jetted correctly it would be nice to have headers that weren't blued to start with.
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My left side blued within 200 miles . AI was removed at 22 miles. The left side just kept blueing. I complained to the dealer and they just blew me off. Wrote a letter to Triumph and they said that they talked to the dealer and they said that they needed more info. I called the dealer and they blew me off again. The right is gold. I hate the blueing. Some like it.....not me. 
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I wondered why the frisbee was getting bigger......and then it hit me.
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Well no luck. He said that some of the VIN numbers have a stipulation placed in which the dealer can replace them with no questions. I've got the AI removed and jetting correct. He told me that the new ones that I would get from him are a lot better about staying chrome. Triumph realized they had a problem, and have changed the process of how they are made. The stealer even gauraunteed me that they wouldn't blue. "Right until my warrenty is up." Owell it was worth a shot. I'm' not paying $400 for a new pair of headers. I can deal with a little blue/gold action. Gives it personality.
Aaron
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I suspected as much, oh well. Not worth the money to me either.
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Does anyone make aftermarket or replacement shilds for the headers?
What if we get them re-chromed?
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No aftermarkets that I could find. Rechroming may work, but if they blue again you're screwed and will have to chrome them all over again.   Now if they can do some sort of high temp chroming job, I might be interested.
Aaron
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In addition to that there are not many good chromers out there , especially if you are doing just 1 or 2 pieces. That isn't to say there aren't any just few and far between.
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Has anyone tried BLUEJOB header and pipe polish? Its supposed to take the blue out.
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It works , not much difference between that and blueaway.
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My left header was very blued. My fault, I went a year before replacing the AI. 15 minutes a night with blue job for 4 nights cleaned it up very nicely. Now I have to do the other one that just was golden....
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I have seen bikes that were kept stock and those I think will blue clean through the shields. ?
Contraire, mes amis. Although I agree/believe that removing the AI will minimize, cure, curtail bluing, I ride proof that the AI, when the engine is properly tuned and maintained, is not a factor in bluing. Again, agree that the AI is an additional source of heat, but, disagree that the heat generated when functioning properly is enough to 'blue' the outer jacket of the header. I firmly believe bluing frequently occurs due to one or more of the following conditions;
1. when the engine is set up too lean
2. when the engine idles for excessive periods
3. when the holes at the underside of the header are obstructed
4. when 'tinkerers' have gone mad
5. when dealers are less than competent
6. when the gap between the inner and outer header is non-conforming (i.e., too close)
I am very near to 23,000 miles of AI equipped riding pleasure. Discoloration / Bluing is still not a factor.
I am NOT saying you should NOT remove it. I AM suggesting that bluing can be minimized via competent wrenching.
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add spark plugs not tight to the list.
The right spark plug on bike wasn't tight when I bought the bike. The right side header is much bluer than the other.
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I like the bluing... gives character and looks pretty neat polished up.
I recently had the bike on a dynojet rolling road. And was told that my bike was running lean due to the restrictions on emmissions in the US.
Should I make it richer so that the engine runs cooler and I get less bluing? (I wouldn't like it to turn blackish after a time, but I can live with bluing.)
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It first starts out golding, then bluing, and eventually blue/black. If the cause doesn't change, it will get worse. My old Triumphs were discolored just about from the get go, like the "classic" Triumphs today. I like the double walled headers and my America with 9500 miles looks like new. I want to keep it that way.
Make sure there is no AI. Get some more open exhausts, remove the snorkles, and re-jet the carbs. It should run quite a bit better with more power - more like it was designed to run. It should also eliminate the continued blueing.
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thanks, I'll look into it 
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My dealer told me that Triumph puts a 2 year warrenty on their bikes. So why don't you call them up and give it a try. If you got an '05 they should replace it for free. They are willing to work with you warrenty work because their shop gets paid by Triumph for doing it. My dealer just couldn't. It never hurts to ask unless someone sewed a zipper into your lips like this guy > 
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My dealer told me that Triumph puts a 2 year warrenty on their bikes. So why don't you call them up and give it a try. If you got an '05 they should replace it for free. They are willing to work with you warrenty work because their shop gets paid by Triumph for doing it. My dealer just couldn't.
It never hurts to ask unless someone sewed a zipper into your lips like this guy >
Sadly, mine is an 02 model 
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A simple method to avoid bluing is to coat the inside of the header with a liberal amount of grease. Then start the bike with no mufflers and nobody you like any where nearby, the smoke will be unbelievable. when you are finished you will have pipes which will never discolor. I know I didn't believe it either. that was about 5 years ago and people still don't believe my bike has ever been started.
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Mine are blue for the first 1/2 inch and then the are golden around the first bend. I like the look. One of the first things I look at on a bike are the pipes. If they aren't at least a little discolored, seems the bike spends too much time on the kick stand or the trailer.
I was at a poker run one time and a dude with a beautiful Harley was spoutin' off about "When I rode into Sturgis..."
I looked at his gleamingly clean, non-colored straight through pipes I called him on it. Yep, He trailered out there, stopped at his hotel 10 miles outside of Sturgis and took the bike off the trailer. The bike was a 2001? model (4 years old) and had a whopping 6000 miles on it.
I had a good chuckle over that.
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Mine are blue for the first 1/2 inch and then the are golden around the first bend. I like the look. One of the first things I look at on a bike are the pipes. If they aren't at least a little discolored, seems the bike spends too much time on the kick stand or the trailer.
Americas or Speedmasters with newly looking chrome pipes may be ridden plenty. My pipes look like brand new and the bike is two years old with over 9000 miles on it. The bikes were designed with double walled headers to prevent the bluing and golding of the pipes. I want mine to stay that way. If the bike is properly tuned and not running too lean, it shouldn't happen. If you leave it the way it comes from the factory, it will discolor. Although it came that way, I personally don't think the engine designers really meant it to be that way.
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07 SM stock and at 2800 miles the right pipe is gold around the first bend. Fine one day the next it was gold. Left pipe still shiny chrome.
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Joel, get the AI off if you haven't already. You also need to get the bike out of it's stock overlean condition. If you plan to keep the stock pipes which are quite restrictive, you can still try adjusting the carbs to run better even if you don't re-jet or change the airbox. A stock bike will discolor.
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Ok people I got the thing to take the blues go away my 04 america had the blues more so on the right side I made sure that the carbs are not lean that is what makes the blue pipes, anyway,the magic stuff is gord,s www.gordsaluminumpolish.com I would not believe it but I saw it as the guy applied the polish on my pipe and the blue just disappear so I got a bottle of it. he said for best resolts have the pipe hot and wipe it on with a red rag, run the engine for five to ten seconds, not to hot. good luck.p.s. 12.95 us dollars. 
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