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I've been around this website for a long time. I mostly lurk and gain information. There is one thing ive noticed happening lately.
There's a lot of people around here giving advice as if it was their own. We all know that this place was created a long time ago and 99% of teh information was figured out by those ba.com veterans that actually tried things not knowing the outcome and reporting the successes and failures here. THEY are the ones who deserve the kudos and credit, not some johnny come lately who reads something and tehn passes it on as an expert.
Unless you have done something diferent and new, your only recorse is to say "I found the info here". You know you did.
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What specifically are you referring to "old timer"? I am fairly new to this forum (and back to biking) but have enjoyed all the comments and advice. There is never anything new in this world anyway just a rehash of whats been said before, but its often good to hear it and be reminded again, and again... and agai...... 
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I havent witnessed this myself, but I agree with what youre saying patriot. I guess it depends on the situation.
Like I read somewhere on here to use a turnbuckle for a carb brace instead of buying one. And Ive told other people to use that idea after using one myself. I didnt take the time do say "i read about this here and it wasnt originally my idea" but then again I didnt try to word like I came up with the idea myself.
Now is this an example of what youre talking about?
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I don't really care whose idea it is as long as it works. There are those who may repeat something that they have heard on here and they deserve kudos for repeating the answer for those who can't find it in the search. Can't expect the original person who had the answer to answer over and over again.
On a side note, this forum rocks! I belong to a bunch of different forums and most don’t respond to questions as fast as the members of this one do. Thanks to everyone for making this a great place to hang.
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I concur. Each new generation of newbies to this forum tend to ask the same questions relating to accesories, pipes, permformance mods et al.
At least you can count on someome answering the same questions even if they have been asked a thousand times over.
It becomes not a credit taking but a system of regurgitating old news for each new owner whom for the most part often need as much help as can be readily offered.
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I try to answer if I know what the answer is weather it is something I know from experience (most of the time) or something I have gotten from a dependable source. I was recently given credit for an idea about checking float level and when I was i posted that it wasn't my idea but a good trick. I wrongly gave Cowboy credit since thats who I got it from. Phil then posted that it was in the manual , I just hadn't read that part yet. This is not to say there was anything wrong with Cowboy posting it, quite to the contrary he should be given credit for passing on the knowlege he had gained where ever it had come from. He didn't say it was in the manual but to the person or people it helped I'm sure it didn't matter. I am a long time mechanic and bike restorer and builder and I pass on what I know as well as the things I have learned here and other places, some of the knowlege overlaps some doesn't. Instead of being upset that someone doesn't include a footnote as to where the info came from you and everyone should be thankful that another person took the time to answer and help.
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I agree with Kevin here. I was on this site form the beginning and I was on the old one also. So, I have seen all the questions a zillion times and it doesn't matter who answers them because the guys who originated the answers to the problems are tired or answering all these question and are glad that someone else is helping out. Of course this is just my opinion. 
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I think I know what Patriot is referring to here, guys! I think he's questioning my statement to him a few days ago that it was indeed I, Dwight, who loaned John Bloor the money to start this whole Triumph thing up again!  (he's SUCH the "Doubting Thomas" if you ask me!!!) 
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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To quote Carl Sagan, "To make a apple pie from scratch you must first re-invent the universe."  I've noticed that people here do generally give credit where credit is due. A lot of times it comes down to the first person that sees a post with a common question just goes ahead and answers it. The newbie then gets their answer faster and can do something with it. Does Dinqua have to answer every jetting question? Isn't it easier for somebody else to send the poster to the Jetting Calculator? 
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I really don't think it's an issue (where the advise originated). All I know is that if I have a question or if I'm in need of advice all I do is post it on this forum and members will either sort it out for me or point me in the right direction, thus rectifing the problem almost immediatly. All the information is out there it's just got to be correlated to address the specific nature of one's request, and this forum through its members does just that. I don't think plagurisum is the issue here, just good old friendly advice & concern Hoffo
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Where did I write that the original poster of an idea should repeatedly answer? That's moronic.
All I was saying is if you post about that idea, give that originator credit.
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I was born in Evansville so I'm probably related to Robert!
we should do this every weekend!
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What if you dont know the originator? You could give credit to the person or thread you heard it from IF you could remember...or you could just answer and get the info out.
I certainly appreciate all the info, technical or not, thoughts and opinions. I have learned from all. Ill gladly share what I have learned AND verified first hand, I will gladly thank the posters to my questions and I will let you all know that my info is verified and regurgitated.
Great point Patriot but in most cases a lost cause.
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Lighten up guys and gals this is an informal site use the site as you would ride a bike use it and enjoy it !!!
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Its called tribal knowlage,I think most of us who have only been here a year or so know who the elders are.And I've never heard any of the elders complain about a "Newer" member passing knowlage that has become common to the tride.
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Dint mean to come across harsh at all....maybe I shouldve added a smiley in there....didnt mean to bring this down even more. going to my corner now  knowledge is power...guess Im powerless 
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Man, talk about ANAL. This is a thread that starts off with much ado about NOTHING.
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Coming from a complete bung-hole, I take that as a compliment.
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Two words - Tech Vault. Names are there, you know who you are.
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I must admit is someone is asking for information and I have it be it my own or something I read I do not make a point of saying this is my stuff or it is not. I just figured at the end of the day the person needing it does not really care where it came from as long as it works.
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Yup. The tech vault is a virtual wealth of information. One only need peruse this now reasonably comprehensive holy grail of information.
Just remember 30 main jets, desnork and three turns out equals as good a bet as you wanna take.
I cant remember who told me that first so I wont worry about who to give the footnote too. I think this jetting advice originated with "GOD"......so that about covers it.
I sincerely hope we or I have not transgressed upon the whole entire value of intellectual property contained within these August pages of technical wisdom.
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Darn, I thought he was giving out loans.
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I'll be the first to admit that pretty much all of my (limited) knowledge of Triumphs comes from this site. It wouldn’t surprise me if half of the people here said the same thing. If someone answers my question, I am thankful that person took the time out of their day to answer me. And the same goes for everyone else who answered a question that I learned from. But if you want to give credit where credit is due, the real kudos should go out to the person or persons who set up ba.com originally and continue to provide us with this forum.
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somebody pat him on the back! All info is greatly received, from a new buck or an old timer! I want to take this time and opertunity to thank everyone who contributes to this rag! Scott
ps someone help me with my spelling!
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"Bung -Hole" is best you can come up with? It looks like you forgot to give credit to where that came from, or do you want to claim that as original to yourself? Well, regardless of your low response, it is a anal and petty thread you started.
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