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Wait a minute Greg, let's clarify this: You WERE a Trojan when you went to school, or was it that you USED Trojans when you went to school??? Well...could'a been both I suppose. Ya see people! Education IS the answer to population control! (hey...you HAD to know SOMEBODY was gonna go there after THAT posting o' yours, didn't ya?!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Re: Being poor in America
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Dwight, I'm not even touching that with YOUR 10 foot pole!! 
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I guess if you are going to be poor, the good ole USA is the place to do it!
Yes, and it's gonna get worse.
Ride Safe,
Dennis
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Not sure what your intentions were in submitting this post? To absolve yourself? To rationalize the gap between rich and poor? Beware brother, poverty could happen to you in America and it aint purty; though you would be well off in Africa...
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Not sure what your intentions were in submitting this post?
And I am not sure what your intentions were in posting this but if it was to rile me, you can do better than that! 
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To absolve yourself? To rationalize the gap between rich and poor
Absolve myself? Rationalize a gap? You ARE a funny guy!!
I saw the report as eye opening. I had no idea and some of the findings were astonishing enough to me to elicit a thread here.
Good enough reasons or should I provide more? Please help me, oh august one.....
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poverty could happen to you in America and it aint purty; though you would be well off in Africa...
An excellent point John. Poverty is relative to the wealth of the society in which one lives, and the distribution of that wealth.
In most industrialized nations (including ours) that wealth is much more evenly divided than it is in the third world. Or many (if not all) monarchies.
So when an agency that deals in raw statistics, like the census bureau, draws a poverty line; it can show some pretty bizarre assumptions.
Then these assumptions are used by groups or individuals to further their own agendas and the real problem gets lost.
Anyone who believes that there are no destitute people who have no home, and not enough food in the U.S.A. please go to your nearest major city (and many rural areas too), find a social service group and tell them. I'm sure they'll be able to change your mind.
Here's an example of how citing averages can be misleading (the numbers are hypothetical)
The average income of a person in Kuwait is $150,000 per year.
The median income is $5,000 per year.
You see? Averages do not reflect reality.
Contra todo mal, mezcal; contra todo bien, también
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That was a great summation Bill, and exactly the point I was intending to make. Patriot, and probably millions of others, view this information as "eye opening", (to quote Patriot), unfortunately it doesnt reflect reality and contrary to being eye opening, is actually blinding.
Sorry Patriot, for the sarcastic tone of my prior post, no disrespect intended. Just wanted to convey that poverty is real in America and I would offer the primary reason for many of our nations ills, including crime, child abuse, school drop-out rates, domestic violence, teen pregnancy, the high costs of health care, etc., etc.
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Sorry Patriot, for the sarcastic tone of my prior post, no disrespect intended. Just wanted to convey that poverty is real in America and I would offer the primary reason for many of our nations ills, including crime, child abuse, school drop-out rates, domestic violence, teen pregnancy, the high costs of health care, etc., etc.
If poverty is the reason for these ills then why were none of them as common during the depression as they are today? Most of them are a result of a poverty of morals, decency and faith. Moral and spiritual poverty causes economic poverty, not the other way around.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Sorry Patriot, for the sarcastic tone of my prior post, no disrespect intended. Just wanted to convey that poverty is real in America and I would offer the primary reason for many of our nations ills, including crime, child abuse, school drop-out rates, domestic violence, teen pregnancy, the high costs of health care, etc., etc.
If poverty is the reason for these ills then why were none of them as common during the depression as they are today? Most of them are a result of a poverty of morals, decency and faith. Moral and spiritual poverty causes economic poverty, not the other way around.
Uhrahhh.....aint that the undeniable truth. Too many people becoming dependent upon someone to take care of them and then it becomes endemic and passes into the bloodstream of entire families.
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Sorry fellas, but I'll lay ya even odds that during The Great Depression actual crime rates were as high, if not higher, than they are today. Official reporting of all crimes, along with general reporting by The Media of crime today is much more sophisticated than it was back in the 1930s, to say nothing of systemic racism and other anti-social phenomenon of that era.
Remember...Just as we "fondly remember the Good Ole Days" of Meriden-built Triumph Motorcycles, the reality is that they can't hold a candle to the modern Hinckley-built models.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Most of them are a result of a poverty of morals, decency and faith.
Who's morals? Who's faith?
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Fraid I'd have to agree here. Might not have much "spiritual base" for my morals, but I'll put my morals up against many people who claim to moral and faithful. To say that you can only have the 2 together is nonsense. I won't deny that my morals are based on general Christian values, but I believe these morals are common throughout most religions, humbleness, generosity, decency towards others, honesty, etc... OOOOOPS, would you look at that, we've just gone careening over the Abyss into Tabooland.... Rrrrrrrr.......SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!  
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