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HD has some new tv commercials, I just caught one on ESPN. It's showing a dood burning up the highway, and the voice over states, "We believe in going your own way." Something in my head clicked and I said to myself, isn't that Triumphs tag line? Isn't this blatant plagarism/copywrite infringement? Somebody call a lawyer.
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Hmmmm, Lack of originality- What are the odds. Seems like with all the money HD makes on it's clothing/accessories lines they could pay some ad exec to come up with something new.
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Harley hasn't come up with much new in 100 years.
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Man oh man! At this rate if Triumph ever decides to really make their presence known("When did they start making THOSE again?") by mass marketing their bikes, they just may have to resort to something like..."Buy a Triumph, if you want to stick it to...you-know-who!" (I mean..."Turnabout IS fair play", RIGHT?!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I have a new slogan for Triumph.
We built bikes the way we like our women....good, fast & cheap.
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Yota, I'm buyin' you a ticket tomorrow for New York City's Madison Avenue. YOU'VE got what it takes, my boy!!!  (when you get to NYC look up those other yutes o' yours there...maybe Matt and Mark can help you in those brainstorming sessions o' yours too, kid)
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NYC??? You never come see me when I'm in CA.
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Are you saying that YOU'RE being "ripped off" now???!!!(notice how I smooooothly stay within the subject's topic here?)
When was the last time you were here in La La Land and YOU didn't tell me that YOU were here, DUDE???!!!
(bang! back in your court, yute!!!)
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Children, don't MAKE me pull this thread over!!
Dwight, I'll be waving at ya as I head to L.A. tomorrow for business.
Yota, any message for me to pass on to him??
And thanks for making me smile gents!
Off topic I know, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
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The V-Rod is different.
Yes it is. And, it is rejected by the AMF riders.
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I'm gonna use that one!!! 
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rejected casue it dont leak? I had an AMF. 
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rejected casue it dont leak? I had an AMF.
I had an AMF once too, even lived near an AMF plant in Olney, IL. But I can't complain about my AMF, cause I never had any leaks from the pedals that I recall...
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You all stop it....they replaced chains with belts.
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You all stop it....they replaced chains with belts.
Al is correct here of course, gentleman.
If any of you have ever had the chance to go behind the scenes at any modern bowling alley and watch those newer automatic pin-setters work their magic, AMF did IN FACT switch to a belt-driven system YEARS AGO!!!
(possibly some of you people may only be remembering those long ago days of Dick Weber and Don Carter, when their pin-setters were chain-driven)
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Children, don't MAKE me pull this thread over!!
Dwight, I'll be waving at ya as I head to L.A. tomorrow for business.
Yota, any message for me to pass on to him??
And thanks for making me smile gents!
Off topic I know, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Hey Nick! Where ya stayin' while you're here???
I'll be leaving thursday night with the wife for NJ, so that joint consumption of beer will have to be either on wednesday or thursday.
Let me know.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Isn't imitation the finest form of flattery? Quote:
I have a new slogan for Triumph.
We built bikes the way we like our women....good, fast & cheap.
Yota, beg pardon?
Good I'll cop too, and fast when I'm riding, but cheap? No way. In fact there are a couple of men who would testify that I darn near cost them their sanity. 
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I have a new slogan for Triumph.
We built bikes the way we like our women....good, fast & cheap.
Yota, beg pardon?
Good I'll cop too, and fast when I'm riding, but cheap? No way. In fact there are a couple of men who would testify that I darn near cost them their sanity.
I'd have to side here with Paula, as I've NEVER known a relationship with a woman to be cheap...
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The V-Rod is different.
But the idea of the V-rod is all that HD managed to put together. Porsche makes the v-rod engine cause the engineers at HD couldn't step out of the way they've been doing things for the last 100 years enough to put together something new.
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Hey, could we change cheap to high-spirited? That's the way I like it good, fast and high-spirited (and never, ever cheap).
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Cost effective?
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cause the engineers at HD couldn't step out of the way they've been doing things
Have you ridden a VRod? Best engine ever for a motorcicle, but very insecure in slow turns.
The HD injuneres can't keep their knuckles off the ground long enough to design anything. But, I think they are the ones that make the really cool coffee cups.
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Right, HD doesn't make the V-rod engine, Porsche does. Despite being insecure in slow turns the V-rod engine is great but Harley can't be given credit for it, that was my point. Someone pointed out that a great new idea HD had was the V-rod, so I pointed that HD doesn't even make the engine so how could anyone give HD the credit for it?
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Does Porsche actually manufacture the engine or did they just help make it work after Harley failed to convert one of their racing engines for the street? I saw a Discovery Channel special several years ago about it but I don't recall anything about Porsche getting into the Revolution engine manufacturing business.
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I could be wrong, and feel free to correct me if I am. I thought that Porsche helped with research and development, and the overall design of the V-rod engine.
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Porsche designed the VRod motor, but I think they are made in Milwaukee. I could be wrong, but that hasn't happened since the late 70s. In 1984, I toured the HD factory in York, where I was told that Porsche had developed an 800cc four cylinder for HD, but they didn't have the $12 million to put it in production. My point with the VRod is, the best motorcicle engine ever was put in a frame that is sub par to the industry. I love that motor, but the front end is raked too much for the trail and geometry of the rest of the frame. Like I mentioned in another thread, the old gangs are hanging on to the shovelheads that they cursed because of AMF engineering, but HD has some great motors now. I hate the Milwaukee Madness that accompanies the purchase of the HD line.
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I've done a bit of research on the subject and still can't find where the engine is physically manufactured. I don't think it changes the point though if Porsche actually manufactures the engine or if they handed HD a set of plans and told them to make exactly what's on the paper, it's still a Prosche engine. So yes, I may be wrong in saying that HD doesn't make the v-rod engine, porsche does. But regardless of who does the manufacturing process the idea, design, working parts, look, ect, of the v-rod engine... all Porsche which still holds my point of pointing out that the v-rod wasn't really a harley idea like Yota mentioned. Sorry Yota, I just don't think they should get credit for something that's not theres, ya know.
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best motorcicle engine ever
Care to back that up? I mean, I'm definitely a Porsche fan, but that's a pretty bold statement.
I always figured if I bought a Harley (and it wasn't a really old one) it would be a V-rod and I'd put Porsche emblems on it just to enhance the disgust of die-hard carb and air-cooling biker types.
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So yes, I may be wrong in saying that HD doesn't make the v-rod engine, porsche does.
Dude, I wasn't accusing, I was just curious.
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I saw a Discovery Channel special several years ago about it but I don't recall anything about Porsche getting into the Revolution engine manufacturing business.
I remember seeing that show too. I was under the impression that HD had Porsche help engineer it, but HD manufactures it. If Porsche built the motor, I would think there would be some major marketing to point that out.
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The V-Rod engine is manufactured inhouse by H-D at their Milwaukee plant. Porsche is credited with assisting in the re-design of Harley's VR1000 race engine that Harley campaigned in sanctioned A.M.A Superbike races with somewhat lackluster results a few years ago during the late 1990s, that was to become the V-Rod or "Revolution" motor we know today.
(this, according to a Cycle World article I remember reading back in 2002 when the V-Rod first hit the market)
I have to admit that I think it one of the better looking liquid-cooled motorcycle engines out there.
As Dennis has mentioned here, most reviews of the entire machine tend to rave about the bike's motor, but say the machine's frame geometry leaves a bit to be desired, as these reviewer find it tends to fall into turns and not give riders much of a sense of stability during those turns.
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We built bikes the way we like our women....good, fast & cheap.
Here here! 
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I've done a bit of research on the subject and still can't find where the engine is physically manufactured. I don't think it changes the point though if Porsche actually manufactures the engine or if they handed HD a set of plans and told them to make exactly what's on the paper, it's still a Prosche engine. So yes, I may be wrong in saying that HD doesn't make the v-rod engine, porsche does. But regardless of who does the manufacturing process the idea, design, working parts, look, ect, of the v-rod engine... all Porsche which still holds my point of pointing out that the v-rod wasn't really a harley idea like Yota mentioned. Sorry Yota, I just don't think they should get credit for something that's not theres, ya know.
I don't get this? HD paid to have work done. It was done and it now belongs to them. Just because they paid a German engineering team instead of thier in house ones, doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit for it. They should be congratulated for hiring the best people for the job.
People farm out work all the time. Doesn't mean it isn't thier product. Don't let any anti HD bias you might (stress on the might) have confuse the issue.
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Tim, I do believe the V-rod Motor WAS a Harley idea, BUT they went to PORSCHE to help with the engineering work since PORSCHE had gone through very similar teething pains when converting the 911 over to water-cooled engines. Also, this PORSCHE, while part of PORSCHE automotive, is actually an outside Engineering firm that can be contracted by pretty much anyone (with enough money of course) to help with complex engineering tasks. The engineers still come from THE Porsche, but it's not quite the same as if HD sent a request to Stuttgart, and some engineer sitting at the 911 line is working on HD parts as well. PORSCHE Engineering is located in Weissach Germany (neat place), and they have a satellite office here in the states (I believe on the East Coast). It would have been THIS PORSCHE that did the design work on the V-rod, just like they did on the Tiptronic transmission touted by Volkswagen in their cars.
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So yes, I may be wrong in saying that HD doesn't make the v-rod engine, porsche does.
Dude, I wasn't accusing, I was just curious.
I wasn't saying you were, you made a great point and I thought I should clarify my statement.
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I've done a bit of research on the subject and still can't find where the engine is physically manufactured. I don't think it changes the point though if Porsche actually manufactures the engine or if they handed HD a set of plans and told them to make exactly what's on the paper, it's still a Prosche engine. So yes, I may be wrong in saying that HD doesn't make the v-rod engine, porsche does. But regardless of who does the manufacturing process the idea, design, working parts, look, ect, of the v-rod engine... all Porsche which still holds my point of pointing out that the v-rod wasn't really a harley idea like Yota mentioned. Sorry Yota, I just don't think they should get credit for something that's not theres, ya know.
I don't get this? HD paid to have work done. It was done and it now belongs to them. Just because they paid a German engineering team instead of thier in house ones, doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit for it. They should be congratulated for hiring the best people for the job.
People farm out work all the time. Doesn't mean it isn't thier product. Don't let any anti HD bias you might (stress on the might) have confuse the issue.
It's not anti HD bias, I'm just giving credit where credit is due. If you buy a Triumph it's your bike but it's still a Triumph, if you buy a Ford it's your car but it's still a Ford, and I think that if HD buys a Porsche engine and puts it on their bikes it belongs to HD but it's still a Prosche, that's just the way I see it.
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Here's the rub. Harley has masterful marketing and image control. They're geniuses at making their brand part of the America formula of Mom, apple pie and baseball. They don't want you to know how many parts they get from Thailand and they don't want you to know they had to lean on a German sports car company to make their latest and greatest engine to work right. Granted, it's not as bad as if they had asked Honda for help - if that were true it'd be all over for them but the cryin'. I'm thinking that they don't mind it being known because the V-rod is aimed more at the type of person who sees German engineering as a plus, perhaps someone who already owns a Porsche or BMW. Their excellent marketing division knows that the old guard is not going to be buying a water-cooled, fuel injected Harley anyway.
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I see what you're saying Tim, but in today's global interaction and sharing of enterprise, I think it's easy to exaggerate the importance of the Porsche assist with the developement of the V-Rod's engine to such a degree as to wish to claim it as a "Porsche".
You brought up the name Ford to make your point. In that case, the fabled Ford GT40 that sweep Le Mans in the mid and late 1960s really isn't or wasn't a "real" Ford either, if you'd hold to your argument here, as the british firm of Lola was most involved in the creation of that fantastic automobile, and this was years before this global interaction that I mentioned above was to become commonplace.
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As Dennis has mentioned here, most reviews of the entire machine tend to rave about the bike's motor, but say the machine's frame geometry leaves a bit to be desired, as these reviewer find it tends to fall into turns and not give riders much of a sense of stability during those turns.
The Street Rod has a much steeper rake and mid-mount controls. The magazines say it handles very well.
So of course it's the slowest-selling V-Rod model.
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