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#156908 05/04/2007 8:12 PM
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Ok this is probably a dumb question but here goes.
When starting a bike that is cold, what is the most beneficial place to pull the choke to. If I pull it all the way out it revs very high and I feel this isnt great for a cold starting engine. About half way out it idles smoothly but a little higher than a warm start idle. The reason Im asking is that I also own a Morris Minor 1000 that requires full choke just to keep it going when I start it cold.

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willyrover #156909 05/04/2007 8:44 PM
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Dont know if its the best or not, but cold starts I always use full choke. AND DONT TOUCH THE THROTTLE WHEN STARTING.


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what he said


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The_Dog33 #156911 05/04/2007 10:39 PM
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That kind of touches on a question that I've had.
Depending on whether it's hot or cold, I'll start with half or full choke respectively. Once it's started, I'll ride the choke until it idle's nicely around 1000 RPM. The choke position varies but I can always find a "happy medium". Is that a normal procedure?


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vidiot601 #156912 05/04/2007 10:42 PM
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I fully choke to start then after a min or 2 back it off a little then about 1/2 mile up the road I push it in all the way.


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The_Dog33 #156913 05/04/2007 10:48 PM
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Thanks Dog, that's pretty much what I've been doing. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a fluke and that I'm doing it right. Not used to a choke quite yet.


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vidiot601 #156914 05/04/2007 10:48 PM
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not sure right or wrong just what works for me.


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The_Dog33 #156915 05/04/2007 10:54 PM
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Do what works.

If I need to choke, which is never in the summer, I pull it out all the way and let it run for about a minute, then push it in all the way and let it idle for another minute or two before I ride.


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That makes two of us!
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vidiot601 #156917 05/04/2007 10:57 PM
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Thanks Bill.
Didn't use a choke on the previous bike, so this is new to me. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't screwing anything up.


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vidiot601 #156918 05/04/2007 11:39 PM
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I start with full choke, no throttle!! Then I put on my jacket and helmet and gloves. Somewhere in there I back it down to 1/2 choke. Usually by the time I'm ready to roll I can push the choke in all the way. Longer on colder days, but then I usually have more gear to put on.


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I apply the choke in 1/4 increments from 0 to full depending on the temperature of the engine. Once the engine is running, I try to adjust the choke to keep the engine running near or just above the normal idle speed.


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willyrover #156920 05/05/2007 12:01 AM
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Quote:

When starting a bike that is cold, what is the most beneficial place to pull the choke to.
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The reason Im asking is that I also own a Morris Minor 1000 that requires full choke just to keep it going when I start it cold.




Hey Derek
I used to work as a mechanic in a shop that specialises in Mini's, Minors, MG's etc (in fact pretty much all heritage british stuff). What you describe with your Minor's perfectly normal - it's due to the SU carburettor on your car, and the cast iron block, crank, manifolds, etc. The modern Trumpy engines are mainly alloy so take much less time to loosen up, and the carbs work a lot better than the old Skinner's Union ones.

I start my bike on 1/2 choke (and NO throttle), immediatley drop it till it's just over normal idle speed, then turn it right off within a minute or two - however I'm in Brisbane where it's pretty warm. The climate in your part of the world will affect how quickly you can do that.

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It's not really a choke but instead it just dumps a little extra fuel into the carbs. I just pull it out full to start and ride it for a minute or so until I figure it will run ok, then I push it back in. It's like having a huge idle jet, not a real choke, so the worst that will happen is a little extra fuel consumption while it's pulled. Real chokes can cause a stall, and will always cause terrible performance and fuel mileage, once the bike is warmed up. Our pseudo choke doesn't do that. A few years ago I went about 130 miles with the ĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā€šĀ¬Ć…ā€œChokeĆƒĀ¢Ć¢ā€šĀ¬Ć‚Ā pulled and the only thing that happened was I got a mile or two less per gallon. A real choke would have had me surging and sputtering within a few minutes of startup.


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ladisney #156922 05/05/2007 2:39 AM
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Thanks guys for the replies
Wasnt such a dumb question after all. Glad I asked.
I have been doing similar to you Sandmann with maybe a bit more on first start.
Thanks again

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willyrover, what these guys are saying,do what works. Depending on how cold it is, and how cold the bike is, I just use whatever choke keeps the bike idling steadily. As it starts to stumble, I just nudge the choke in a hair. After a minute of running, I normally don't need any choke at all, unless it is brrrrrrr cold (39) like this morning, and then only for MAYBE a quarter mile or so. As far as the oil thing, well, every car I've had has a high idle for the first minute at around 1200 rpm, and then settles down to the normal 750-800rpm, and I've never had any issue with oil consumption later on (except from a Turbo but that was unrelated, and relatively minor) If it works for my cars, it works for the bike in my eyes.

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Another suggestion/question that's related to this. Maybe someone can tell me if it's excessive. In the morning when the bike is cold, the clutch plates stick with the cold oil, and the bike hammers hard into first gear. So before I start it I put it in first gear, pull the clutch, and rock the bike to free the clutch. I only do this in the morning, the rest of the day it seems fine.

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I'm with you Greybeard, Choke/enrichener as necessary to keep the motor running. Full to start a cold engine, then I begin to reduce in a few seconds to maintain a slightly faster than normal idle. No choke for a fully warmed up engine. Oh yea, NO throttle input. You will likely have backfire (don't ask me how I know) and possibly an airbox explosion.

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Oh yea, NO throttle input. You will likely have backfire (don't ask me how I know) and possibly an airbox explosion




Will eventually definitely have an airbox explosion... SO NO THROTTLE!


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I'm with you Greybeard, Choke/enrichener as necessary to keep the motor running. Full to start a cold engine, then I begin to reduce in a few seconds to maintain a slightly faster than normal idle. No choke for a fully warmed up engine. Oh yea, NO throttle input. You will likely have backfire (don't ask me how I know) and possibly an airbox explosion.




Related (I think)- how do I know the difference between a backfire (which sometimes happens when I start my bike cold, yes full choke, NO throttle) and the dreaded airbox explosion? Sometimes that POP! is pretty loud.


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Goddess....you will know. The airbox eplosion is tank rattling...at best. At worst you will be sat on the bike when it happens. Scared the $hit out of me. It happened in my evenlesstechnicalthanIamnow days and even I knew what it was.


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vidiot601 #156929 05/07/2007 10:49 AM
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I also use full choke for a fairly short time and then push it in all of the way. It is very important to never roll the throttle will starting. When you roll the throttle you change the spark advance. This can cause serious backfires while starting. On very cold mornings I turn on the petcock. Twist the trottle a couple of times, Pull the choke all of the way out, turn switch on and push starter. After a short warmup I push the choke all of the way in and keep the engine running with the throttle. It works for me. Sometimes I am riding at 20 degress F.

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