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I saw it yesterday. Wow. Those is some big holes! A billet high performance set of jugs, a crank balance, and away we go.
The question becomes, why doesn't Hinkley take this kit and mass produce in a new and improved BA/Speedie?
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I saw it yesterday. Wow. Those is some big holes! A billet high performance set of jugs, a crank balance, and away we go.
The question becomes, why doesn't Hinkley take this kit and mass produce in a new and improved BA/Speedie?
Simple cuz they have areadly spent all thier R&D money on the new 1500 turbo jet cruiser.
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I'd really like a speedmaster as a 2nd bike, when it happen's I'll be building it as a 1100. A 90+ hp speedmaster, what a ride.
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Now thats interesting. Will it fit my 865 and where do I get the lowdown in this please.
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yes it will, www.bonnevilleperformance.com and the delphi forums, but you need a bit of $$$$$ Frank
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I'd really like a speedmaster as a 2nd bike, when it happen's I'll be building it as a 1100. A 90+ hp speedmaster, what a ride.
In that case, instead of going bigger go smaller. The 675 motor is rated at 123 hp. Now that would be a real Speedmaster 
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No engine case work? Just pistons/jugs/crank?
What displacement is their stroker kit?
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I thought the 1200 kit required the case to be bored out to accomodate larger jugs???
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Yes the case has to be bored, as does the 1100cc kit to fit the larger pistons. And both kits will also need a Jojje made aluminum head, because the stock head isn't big enough for the 101mm pistons. That'll cost you about $500. The 1100cc is recommended over the 1200cc stroker, because of streetability issues, and costs for the stroker crank(very expensive). You'll also want to get your crankshaft dynamically balanced, which also allows you to elminate the 8 lbs of counter balancers. And although Wiseco says you don't need Carillo/forged rods, it's suggested you get them. I got all this info off of this Delphi forum where Bill Gately, owner of Bonneville Performance and the developer of all the Wiseco big bore kits, posts info and dyno runs, and will answer questions. If you're even thinking about putting in a Wiseco big bore kit, I highly recommend you join that Delphi forum. Btw, here's a shot of the pistons. From left to right; 68mm, 92mm, 101mm, 101mm stroker. 
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I've thoght from day one that a speed triple motor in a speedmaster would be really fun... This kit is awesome.
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123 hp but what torque rating...sport bikes have never done anything for me. The 1100 kit is by far the most feasible, easpecially considering the 1200 kit will represent about a 10% increase in power over the 1100.
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I love riding the sport bikes. A totally different experience than that of the speedmaster, but equally enjoyable- just different.
2002 Bandit 1200/ GSXR cams/ 1277 BB Kit/ Holeshot header and can/ 38mm flatslides/ a good head/lotsa hp/lotsa tq- lots of rear tires...
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So the 1200 is a stroker too then...
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Derek - don't forget those that go this route may want to look at their current suspension and brake setup. I know since going to the 904 and 42mm carb kits that I have learned just how poorly my front America brakes operate.  I had Bill actually ride my bike Saturday; and being used to race performance brakes, he was a little squeamish relying on old blue to stop itself! As we were talking about these kit options, though, the good news is with the purchase of a new Speedie or America and a $4,000 kit, you are still to the good side of a stock Dyna, etc. And think of the bike you will have!
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Time for the full floater!
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Ryan, Ahh, another America owner with buyer's remorse(just nad bustin').  If you had a Speedmaster with those dual front brakes, then you wouldn't have as much problem stopping. You're right though about looking at the entire bike when doing performance mods. Suspension, brakes, clutch all need to be factored in. And the stock carbs aren't going to do you too much good when pumping up that motor to 1100cc. That's the first thing you should do when starting a project like this...sit down and make a list of all the costs. Talk to Bill or whoever and go through what's going to be needed for parts and other costs. So far for the 1100cc kit, I have the following costs from the Delphi forum. However, some of the costs may vary: 1100cc Wiseco kit: $885 Jojje billet head: ~$500 Powdercoat head: $100? Carillo rods: $700 Bore and sleeving head: $250-300 Case boring: $250 Gaskets: $82 There is no cost posted yet on dynamically balancing the crankshaft. I think Bill guesstimated that it would run $300-450. There are other costs not listed, like Triumph seals, o-rings, stronger clutch springs, and what not. For floating rotors and stainless brake lines, check Brent's site.
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Didn't take you long to catch the horsepower bug did it Ryan? This is what happens to someone after you install the 904cc big bore kit, you want more! Then More! MORE MORE!!!
A word to the wise is not necessary. It is the stupid ones who need the advice.
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this is why when and if i do this... i will be going with a set of JE PISTON'S NOT THE WISECO!!! web page BIKER
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Didn't take you long to catch the horsepower bug did it Ryan?
This is what happens to someone after you install the 904cc big bore kit, you want more! Then More! MORE MORE!!!
Ha! and couches, and washer and dryer, and a car, and a roof, and diapers, and you get the picture, eh?
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So you think it'll be cheaper to go with JE pistons? Can they provide the sleeves too? You'd definitely be breaking new ground. That's he thing with the Wiseco kits...they've been given a bit of R&D thought before being made available.
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I do not see Triumph listed at JE so you would definitely be breaking new ground!!
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Actually someone has used JE building their Thruxton. Thrux-ton-up over at the rat.neet forums has recently rebuilt his ride using JE piston's and bill's 42mm carbs and lot's of other goodies. His bike is also on the mainpage of the 2001 bonnie forums at delphi.
He used the stock 865 bore size and had piston's made for the barrels. 11 to 1 pistons....apparently the bike runs very well :-)
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Did he post any costs and dyno results? Seems to me a bit of trouble and money just to up the compression.
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bonnyusa nope other's have use them but not to many peeps know about them "JE PISTON" see come with paper work to show they are a match set everthing about the set you get is the same they also come with biger vale relif so your all set if you would like to run biger vales.. and they also so come with a much better ring set... AND YES I AM LEEKING THIS INFO I FEEL IT'S TIME THAT IT WAS SHARED WITH SITE.. I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW I AM REALLY PISSING SOMEONE OFF BUT I DON'T CARE BIKER
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I can't think of anybody on here that this would upset. Competition is good. I'd want some hard info though before I plunked down the cash. That's why I asked about costs and dyno runs.
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it's not some one that is really here .. i belive there called a lurker BIKER
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yes that is why i put this out there other are useing these JE piston with very good gain's and getting great numbers.. i want other's to know that is a much better piston out there to use... BIKER
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Then as you must know, this isn't really a Wiseco kit at all! I was mistaken to use their label, though they are producing someone else's design, etc. At least, that is my understanding.
Good info. Biker!
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Info? Without numbers to back up the claims of "much better piston" and "good gains with great numbers", it's all hype to me. Sorry Ed, but I need proof.
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John isnt going to put the bike on a dyno till it has 1000 miles on it. I kinda expect it to exceed 85 horses..
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it is a much better piston and i listed why just go back and read..i understand that you want proof ask any one who does piston work.. JE is ten times the piston..and yes you can get them for our bike... BIKER
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Well I was over at trat.net searching for some info. Looks like Thrux-ton-up went with oversized valves, carbs, and the stock bore, but with 11:1 pistons. Reason for not using a Wiseco was cost of the kit, and the expected longevity of keeping the stock Nikasil coating. He didn't think going from 865cc to 904 was worth the cost, and that a similar increase in power could be obtained with the stock bore just by upping the compression, Claimed benefits over the Wiseco liners; the Nikasil coatings are reported to last 100,000+ miles, while the Wiseco liners are good for 50,000 miles before needing re-bored and fresh rings thrown in. Of course the above mileage estimates depend on how hard you push the motor.
Rant mode...
I don't know why this can't just be explained instead of throwing up cryptic messages. Might save people from having to use that worthless search tool over at trat.net. Just spell it out fellas and quit worrying about stepping on somebody's toes. When you beat around the bush, it just looks to me like you're trying to hide something.
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Yes the case has to be bored, as does the 1100cc kit to fit the larger pistons. And both kits will also need a Jojje made aluminum head, because the stock head isn't big enough for the 101mm pistons. That'll cost you about $500.
The 1100cc is recommended over the 1200cc stroker, because of streetability issues, and costs for the stroker crank(very expensive). You'll also want to get your crankshaft dynamically balanced, which also allows you to elminate the 8 lbs of counter balancers. And although Wiseco says you don't need Carillo/forged rods, it's suggested you get them.
I got all this info off of this Delphi forum where Bill Gately, owner of Bonneville Performance and the developer of all the Wiseco big bore kits, posts info and dyno runs, and will answer questions. If you're even thinking about putting in a Wiseco big bore kit, I highly recommend you join that Delphi forum.
Btw, here's a shot of the pistons. From left to right; 68mm, 92mm, 101mm, 101mm stroker.
Sal,
Where can a guy buy the Jojje made aluminum head? I am a player for one. From what i see: some of these people are just 2 stepping parts..which I have no problem with it.I am looking for a complete stock 790 engine...so I can just swap engines..I don't want to be down this spring..
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You can contact Jorgen on trat.net
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Can you even get an engine off Triumph? I have heard you can only get a wrecked one unless under very special circumstances...
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I do not see Triumph listed at JE so you would definitely be breaking new ground!!
On that note, I am curious, are these pistons custom made with our engines in mind? I know, as stated here, that Bill collaborated with Wiseco on developing these kits specifically for our bikes.
Who does the forging for the J&E pistons? Doesn't Wiseco have a hand in this not only for J&E but most racing pistons for atv's and motorcycle engines? I only ask, because this is the first I have heard of these pistons, but I trust you that this is a good product (being a newbie). Anyway, too late for me!
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Speaking of heads...has anyone done anything for the cam bearing area? To maybe put bearings in so there wouldn't be a need to replace a head when that area wears? like either smaller cams and bearings or line bore the head and bearings? Seems not much thought was put into that area when designed. Costly to replace a head if there is wear.
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yes you can order custom piston's but you must know what your doing web page BIKER
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you guys need to learn the difference between a head and cylinders/barrels.
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