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YES, still the best looking bike on the planet.
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Yes, if the parts were manufactured in Britain. However, if they can't do better than the '07's, I'm keeping my beautiful '03 forever.......
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Would you buy a Hardley, Made in Korea?
The wife says, no.
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NO, defiantly NO. I only want one made in England. Not even if they were made in North America (Canda Mexico or USA).
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Would you buy a Hardley, Made in Korea?
The wife says, no.
I wouldn't buy a Hardly if it was built in my livingroom.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I already have one and don't intend to have two. The subject is moot. (and no, I didn't ask for it) 
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NO!!!!!!! And the whole thing really bothers me. It really does. 
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Yes. (I bought my Triumph because I had one as a teenager and it is an awesome, unique Motorcycle that ISN't a HD. I could care less it was made in ENGLAND. So, I already bought outside my HOME COUNTRY (U.S.A) so it does not bother me if they start manufacturing them elsewhere. In fact, it would be GREAT if they built a plant in the U.S....then I wouldn't feel guilty). 
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Naw, I'm rather hung up on the term "British Iron"
Besides I own a pre-fire Hinkley built 100th aniversary Triumph Bonneville America in black an silver.
I don't need another thank you.
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Sure. If you want Triumph to be around in another decade they've go to keep changing their game. Moving some production offshore is part of that.
Look at the glorious names and brands lost forever in the British motorcycle industry. If Norton/Ariel/Velocette et al had taken the Japanese threat seriously and moved some production offshore we might have updated BSA Lightnings, Norton Commandos, Ariel Square 4's, and Velo Venom's to choose from today.
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No. The fact that it's built in England seems very important to me. The tradition of it.
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Look at the glorious names and brands lost forever in the British motorcycle industry. If Norton/Ariel/Velocette et al had taken the Japanese threat seriously and moved some production offshore we might have updated BSA Lightnings, Norton Commandos, Ariel Square 4's, and Velo Venom's to choose from today.
Maybe Bill, but then again, maybe not, unless the management of those old brit firms would have moved a much larger portion of their sales revenue towards their respective Research and Development Departments than what they did when England sold more M/Cs than any other country on the planet.
This was their final undoing. Mr.Honda's brilliance was the fact that a much larger portion of his revenues went into the making of a new and improved motorcycle every year. When the Triumph Bonneville was introduced in 1959, Edward Turner's basic design was already over 20 years old when it was originally introduced as the 1938 Speed Twin.
Think of what gains Honda made in the years from 1959 to 1969 when Brit Iron did "rule the roads". Honda went from a step-through little bike sporting all of 50cc's to the mighty CB750 four cylinder, a machine with a much more modern OHC design, horizonitally split cases that didn't leak oil, and a disc brake.(ironically, every feature on our present-day BAs) And this was mostly made possible by the fact that much more relative funding was poured into Mr.Honda's R/D Depts than what the bean-counters in Old Blighty were doing at the same time when they were making money hand over fist, and selling every Bonneville, Trophy, Lightning, Thunderbolt, Atlas, Commando, etc, etc, etc, that they manufactured in England, back during those heady times in motorcycling's initial "Golden Age".
Lack of foresight by the "Deciders" of the world has almost exclusively been the number one reason for failure in any endevour, not some perceived issues regarding a so-called disgruntled or overpaid labor force, otherwise known as the "Grunts".
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YES, still the best looking bike on the planet.
Amen brother! Like to add I still don't under stand the hissy fit and never will. So I guess that puts me in the yes camp!
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Most of the usual suspects have posted in this thread. Of those who said yes no and maybe who were not counted there were 51 valid votes. 23 yes and 28 no. 55% of the existing Speedy and America owners in this thread will more than likely not buy another if made in Thailand.
Considering those who voted are already prejudiced in favor of Triumph, I think thats a big number. From reading Triumph-rat it appears to be the same with the bonny owners too. About split.
Wow, that was fun, not that Triumph or anybody else really gives a R.A.T.s @ss what we think. 
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Ron, the biggest flaw in this poll is everyone has ALREADY bought a Speedy or America. If you were shopping, like we all did initially, what bike in its class offers what these bike do? What bike has the heritage, look, performance and gets attention like these bikes? If you take the perspective of someone shopping for a NEW bike, the high percentage of "no votes" wouldn't be as great as this poll indicates.
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Probably not. I can understand the reasoning for moving assembly to Asia, but I bought my TBA knowing it was designed and assembled in England. Call me old fashioned, that's just the way it is. A Brit motorcycle should be built in Britain. Labor costs and taxes have to be killing Bloor. Let's hope this doesn't hurt the company too badly. It has all been coming along so nicely for Triumph. 
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Bob, absolutely you are correct that the numbers would be different. They do represent the move to Thailand does not give him a free ride in the Public Relations Dept. We don't need another poll naturally but I for the only one in the world then, would not have bought my first one assembled outside the UK.
What this little unscientific poll along with all the chatter on Triumph Rat says is that they will suffer on return business. The poll does say they will not sell another America or Speedy to about 1/2 of current owners. Business likes resale a lot. Business also needs word of mouth. That may suffer when friends are possibly not advised to buy the Thailand bikes or on a softer side simply advised they are made in Thailand.
Once I get past the heritage thing, for me its more about national economy and the overall health of a nation. England and the U.S. are very similar in that their politicians have made so much regulation locally and eliminated so many barriers on imports it would be stupid for Bloor not to outsource.
The absolute fraud committed on their website is unforgivable and I will not bend on that. They advertise these bikes are built in the factory in the "Heart" of Great Britain. In the company timeline section on the web they don't say a word about Thailand and the two facilities. On the main page they say they have an office in Thailand. I guess so, most factory operations do have an office.
For some reason Mr. Bloor has decided to lie to his new customers. He must also know about out little poll. lol
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NO WAY!!! I am a proud owner of "Brittish Iron"!!! Been riding Brits for about 30 yrs now and own 19 including my 04 SM the rest are 1954 to 1972 plus 1 64 BMW I like but painfully slow although very dependable !! LOL My wife has an 04 BA she loves. She feels the same way. Made in England means something. If it is made else where might as well buy one of those Jap Hardly wanna be bikes!!!
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Yes. I will buy the bike I like the best ( unless it gets made in Communist China, a nation that no one should support the slave state ) regardless of origin. Just let it be made in a free nation, made of high quality, and of good value.
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The absolute fraud committed on their website is unforgivable and I will not bend on that. They advertise these bikes are built in the factory in the "Heart" of Great Britain. In the company timeline section on the web they don't say a word about Thailand and the two facilities.
For some reason Mr. Bloor has decided to lie to his new customers. He must also know about out little poll. lol
Going to have to point out here that ALMOST NO ONE advertises that they build cars, products, parts in low cost countries. Just look at GM and all their "Made in the USA" crap, or Harley Davidson for that matter. Sorry, when a bike or car gets over 50% of it's parts from overseas, it is no longer "Made in the USA". Yes, due to technicalities in NAFTA and other Trade Laws, because the content may be below a certain percentage, or because maybe only the final assembly is in the US, companies can get away with saying "Made in the USA". This isn't something new, sorry guys, it's business as usual, not a personal affront or slap in the face to one individual. Is it right, ethically, for any company, to say their product is made in one place or another if in fact, it's only partly made there, NO! As the old saying goes, "Just because it's LEGAL doesn't make it ETHICAL or MORAL!" Think about it, every day, we go out and buy a new Chevy, with the "Proudly Made or Assembled in the USA", and somewhere on the price sheet, in very fine print, you see the disclaimers about content from Mexico, China, etc... Most people just ignore it cause it doesn't matter to them, or even willingly overlook it cause they are so stuck on their "Made in America" Chevy. How many people ever stop to say, "Hey, this thing is almost ENTIRELY built in Mexico by laborers who make $2000 a year, yet I'm paying $25,000 for it just like I do for that other car that IS built in the US? Don't think you're going to see an announcement or advertisement ANYWHERE that says "Built in Mexico so that GM can horde more profits per vehicle without passing any savings on to you, the Schmuck who buys this stuff". So far, I haven't heard anyone mention that Triumph is downsizing the plant in England, only building new plants to expand production, and sorry, it only makes perfectly logical sense to build your simplest bikes (that would NOT be the Rocket III or SpeedTriple), which folks, are the bikes we ride, in a low cost low tech labor market. I did see a couple posts in the other "Thairumph" post about how they should build the sport bikes in Thailand cause it doesn't matter where they build them, so long as they don't don't build "our" bikes there. Well, if that doesn't smack of hypocrisy, I don't know what does. If it's not alright to build "our" bikes over there, it's not alright to build ANY Brit bikes over there. Having said that, it's going to happen, so get over it, move on, and get used to it. Or go buy a Harley. IF it is so important to buy a bike knowing it was made in the USA or England, then go buy a Harley, and just close your eyes when you look on the underside of any parts, and continue pretending that this is 1965....
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Greg,
I am sorry you think the way they advertise is fair game. I am sorry that just because everybody does it somehow it is right. I don't think it is right, I never will. I will not compromise my values just because everybody else is doing it.
Wrong is wrong, and it always will be. Lie to make a profit and its wrong. Not gray, wrong. Has it become common, absolutely. Commonplace and right are not the same, not even close. I guess I am stuck in 1965.
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NO NO NO NO NO I HAVE BEEN SICK ALL WEEK THINKING OF HOW STUPID OF A MOVE FOR TRIUMPH THIS IS..WHAT A LET DOWN!!
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Hi Guys - I was checking in to see if Mr. B. has cast his vote yet in our poll? Oh wait a minute, my wife is on the phone with him now. What's that honey,,, He says he's too busy to vote right now but we should put him down as a
-- NO -- Wow what a shocker!
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History will tell you poverty stricken countries DO NOT produce quality products. China, Mexico, Thialand etc. are great if you want cheap. You get what you pay for. Mine doesn't leak or sputter too bad and all the problems Ive had are self induced. Don't f#%* up a good thing
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Inconceivable! (in the voice of Wallace Shawn a.k.a.Vizzini from the Princess Bride) 
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The absolute fraud committed on their website is unforgivable and I will not bend on that. They advertise these bikes are built in the factory in the "Heart" of Great Britain. In the company timeline section on the web they don't say a word about Thailand and the two facilities.
For some reason Mr. Bloor has decided to lie to his new customers. He must also know about out little poll. lol
Going to have to point out here that ALMOST NO ONE advertises that they build cars, products, parts in low cost countries. Just look at GM and all their "Made in the USA" crap, or Harley Davidson for that matter. Sorry, when a bike or car gets over 50% of it's parts from overseas, it is no longer "Made in the USA". Yes, due to technicalities in NAFTA and other Trade Laws, because the content may be below a certain percentage, or because maybe only the final assembly is in the US, companies can get away with saying "Made in the USA". This isn't something new, sorry guys, it's business as usual, not a personal affront or slap in the face to one individual. Is it right, ethically, for any company, to say their product is made in one place or another if in fact, it's only partly made there, NO! As the old saying goes, "Just because it's LEGAL doesn't make it ETHICAL or MORAL!" Think about it, every day, we go out and buy a new Chevy, with the "Proudly Made or Assembled in the USA", and somewhere on the price sheet, in very fine print, you see the disclaimers about content from Mexico, China, etc... Most people just ignore it cause it doesn't matter to them, or even willingly overlook it cause they are so stuck on their "Made in America" Chevy. How many people ever stop to say, "Hey, this thing is almost ENTIRELY built in Mexico by laborers who make $2000 a year, yet I'm paying $25,000 for it just like I do for that other car that IS built in the US? Don't think you're going to see an announcement or advertisement ANYWHERE that says "Built in Mexico so that GM can horde more profits per vehicle without passing any savings on to you, the Schmuck who buys this stuff". So far, I haven't heard anyone mention that Triumph is downsizing the plant in England, only building new plants to expand production, and sorry, it only makes perfectly logical sense to build your simplest bikes (that would NOT be the Rocket III or SpeedTriple), which folks, are the bikes we ride, in a low cost low tech labor market. I did see a couple posts in the other "Thairumph" post about how they should build the sport bikes in Thailand cause it doesn't matter where they build them, so long as they don't don't build "our" bikes there. Well, if that doesn't smack of hypocrisy, I don't know what does. If it's not alright to build "our" bikes over there, it's not alright to build ANY Brit bikes over there. Having said that, it's going to happen, so get over it, move on, and get used to it. Or go buy a Harley. IF it is so important to buy a bike knowing it was made in the USA or England, then go buy a Harley, and just close your eyes when you look on the underside of any parts, and continue pretending that this is 1965....
Harley gaskets are made by Victor in their China plant.(I worked for Dana Corp for 5 years)Nothing is sacred. The idea is assembly is by proud Brits! Assembled in Thailand? No thanks! Buy cheaper parts, OK! Assemble with cheap labor NO! Harley builds in USA. Can you say goodbye Triumph? Remember what happend to Indian when they took th echeap route? Cause I don't know about you but the product I saw was cheap and poor quality.
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No. Not a chance. 
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Would rather not, so not likely to.
Would rather by a Jap bike made in Japan than a Brit bike made in "who-knows-where".
Don't even get me started on the automakers...
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I think while this is still open we should clear one thing. We have new members and will have many, many new members that have bought these bikes. Lots of harsh things have been said in the threads, some for effect and some just to get attention, that may have them feeling a little bad about what we may or may not think.
For me, and I know I speak for many of those who voted NO.
You bought the best looking motorcycle on the planet with a great badge that will get looks of admiration everyplace you go. You will have so much fun riding it you will never want to get back into your cage.
Our statements and sniping are not to taken out of context. Purest never make sense anyway so please don't take it to heart. You did not buy a sub-standard Triumph and we welcome you to the forum with open arms.
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Well said Satxron, and while I was one of the people who voted no, I still went out and ordered a new Speedy yesterday. I believe in my original post I said no, only if I had no choice, well I had no choice, I wanted the new Speedy! I still wish however they would asseble them at Hinckley.
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Actually Saxtron, please re-read the first third of my post, and you'll see that I did not say it was "fair game" or right, or any of that. To the contrary, I said that yes, it is LEGAL, but NOT MORAL OR ETHICAL, but is made OK by the wording of trade agreements by lawyers (i.e. Loopholes!) NO, I do NOT agree with the practice (thought I made that VERY clear), and if you've read any of my previous posts about outsourcing of manufacturing to Mexico or worse China, then you'll know where I stand on that, VERY VOCALLY AGAINST it, but also I'm a realist enough to realize that what is going to happen is going to happen, whether good or bad. This thing in general is like the Titanic, you can see the catastrophe coming in the near future, but by God, no matter how hard you try to steer away from it, it's going to happen. And that is how I feel about this whole issue. I can ****** and moan till my dying breath, but business and politicians are going to take care of themselves first, and working people DEAD last!!!! And don't let that "Made in the USA" crap touted by American manufacturers blind you, cause manufacturing jobs are leaving every single day by these self-same companies (just look at ANY Maytag, and rest assured despite their adverts, they were NOT made in their plant in Galesburg, IL, but in Mexico or China (would be hard to have them manufactured in Galesburg since they sold the plant out!) Please don't confuse realism with approval, they are very different. My point is that there are no real alternatives, not Harley, not Norton (not made in England, when or if they start making them). In fact, the only really honest players in the field ARE the Japanese, they proudly advertise that they mvoed production here, not quietly hide the fact while advertising the opposite like Harley-Davidson does!
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someone needs to forward this thread to triumph..they need to see how a move like this could cause the fall of a great company..
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In fact, the only really honest players in the field ARE the Japanese, they proudly advertise that they mvoed production here, not quietly hide the fact while advertising the opposite like Harley-Davidson does!
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I know Greg, it just pisses me off. Not just Triumph, the whole outsourcing thing. The Titanic explanation is very good by the way.
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Absolutely not - Triumph bikes are just about the only decent British manufacturing industry products we have left, costs aside, they should keep it like that IMO.
Most the rest the industries and call centres have sold their souls to the East for cheap labour, costs are cheaper fair enough but the rebound effect is that folks here loose their jobs and dissatisfied customers contacting the so called 'Help Centres' can't speak to anyone who speaks decent English and the whole thing's a mess...  I'd rather pay more and keep the jobs and products in this country to be honest...
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Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2006
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Today I stopped by Wally World and bought a new "Wrangler"
blue jean jacket Made in Bangladesh. My old Lee was falling apart. My wife who was made in USA (i know this cuz its tattooed on her butt) is now sowing the Triumph patch on, that I bought at the dealer Thursday.Made in Korea.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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