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Do news reports always have to make mention of the fact that the biker was not wearing a helmet? Can't they write that the biker was loved and will be missed by a very large community/fellowship? Can't they write that the cager who turned left was not wearing his thinking cap? Why is a choice deemed so important that when the choice is made to not wear something those who have no idea of what the wind is, feel like they have it all figured out and imply their judgment indirectly?
Instead those talking heads in the news media should take a pointer or several from Patrick Chambers, a retired leo who heads up a loose band of motorsicklist called the 'Misfits' who pens it,
"On Wednesday night at 9:45 PM, Felipe "Phil" Antonio was on his way home in Palm Bay. He was riding his trusty Harley that he and long time soul mate and companion Emily had just paid off. A cager failed to yield and turned left in front of Phil; he crashed and died at the scene."
R.I.P Phil
On the wings of a snow-white dove
He sends His pure sweet love
A sign from above
On the wings of a dove
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I agree with you Moe. Here in NC, helmets are mandatory so you don't read that as much when a local crash is reported. Sometimes the article will just say that the rider was wearing a helmet, as if that's even an option around here. If it's a South Carolina crash and the rider wasn't wearing a helmet, that will always be mentioned in the neews. Same with seatbelts when a car crash is reported, especially when a fatality is invovled.
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Ok ,  ...... helmets are a personal choice.... looking at friends and aquaintences who have passed , and people in the emergency room when my wife was an M.T. at a local hospital, the number one cause of death ( no , cell phones should have been listed) was "blunt force trauma to the torso" .... and when a helmet was worn it just ment we were able to have an open casket funeral.....I like to wear a helmet sometimes, and somtimes not.... but I've seen far more injuries from mangled hands , feet and horrendous road rash from no gloves, boots & jackets.... in fact one young man that passed away last year from a sport bike wreck died from a broken neck.... "hint" that extra 15 lbs of weight on the head ( yes he was wearing a helmet) ....Motorcycling like flying ( I do both) are inherently dangerous...... and having misshaps in both means of transportation I have learned the "safest" form of transport is in a big SUV.... but wanting to live life with gusto and not constant fear is not what some people (reporters) will do, instead they(the world is over gang) push there will onto the unwilling with onerous laws and regulations..... as in the Rush song , I will choose free will !  ................ok, lets go take a ride,  .... it is rather cool this morning,,, I'll choose to wear my helmet !!!!!!!!!!!! 
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This morning I wore my genuine USMC issued cold weather helmet liner and nothing else on the ole grape.Ya know,,,,,,,some of the best stuff I own are things I "forgot" to turn back in when I was discharged.
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that extra 15 lbs of weight on the head ( yes he was wearing a helmet)
My full face modular helmet weighs about three pounds.
Frankly, I think saying or implying helmets cause more deaths than they prevent is rather irresponsible and in fact not true.
Of course there are other causes in a crash such as internal injuries, severe road rash causing massive shock and/or bleeding.
And the injuries to hands, feet etc. can be debilitating, but not as much as head injuries.
I know a woman who is a recreational therapist. She helps people with mental disabilities to get out and participate in different activities; bowling, tennis, movies etc. Fully 50% of her clients are head trauma victims, they were just normal people enjoying life until they received a head injury that forever changed them, essentially making them mentally retarded/lobotomized. Of that 50% about 10% are injuries from not wearing a helmet while crashing a motorcycle.
The simple fact is that if you are involved in a crash on your bike your head is the most vulnerable part of your body and if it hits the ground or any hard object; tree, fence, rock, fire hydrant etc.,etc., you can count on dying or being a rutabaga and a burden to your loved ones for a long time.
We all know and accept those risks, so choose how much risk you want to take, if that means no helmet and it's legal where you live then more power to you. Of course, then for you that 20mph low/high side due to some slippery sh!t on a turn, or being rear ended by a ditz on a phone while sitting at a red light may just be fatal.
I'll have a damaged bike and walk away.
As for newspaper reports; kind of silly to mention that the rider was wearing a helmet in states where it is required by law. But by reporting that he was not wearing a helmet may serve to educate some people and encourage them to wear one.
In states that don't require helmets, it should be reported either way, wearing or not wearing.
So it's a choice. Make your choice.
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Thank you
I think it should be reported if the rider was wearing a helmet or not
It shows a lack of personal responsibilty and lack of forethought (IMHO) to ride without one
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Now that you are on the slippery slope, I think it takes a lack of personal responsibility and lack of forethought to ride a motorcycle. No airbags, doors, intrusion beams, seat belts. Nothing! Why not just outlaw bikes for the above inherent danger? It is statistically accurate that folks in cars do not suffer head trauma from motorcycle accidents. Think of all the lives we could save! Maybe you should buy a Volvo.
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Well folks, I kind'a look at this issue this way...
Even though I believe I'm smart enough to wear a helmet whenever I ride, I couldn't care less if in MY obituary it says somethin' like:
"Dwight Argo, loving husband, avid motorcyclist, and overall a general smartazz to all he met in his life, died of lung cancer last Thursday, April 17, 2016 at age 64 because the dumbazz, still to almost the very end, smoked a pack of cigarettes a day."
And regarding how my FAMILY might feel about reading something like THAT in MY obit? Well, the way Judie feels about my smoking, I'm almost SURE she'd INSIST that it read EXACTLY like that and would have absolutely NO qualms about it EITHER!!!
In OTHER words...When people do "less than smart" things in their life, like NOT wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle OR continuing to smoke, despite ALL reputable data which PLAINLY has shown over the years that to help prolong one's life one should probably wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle AND that one probably should not smoke cigarettes, and IF that person still CHOOSES to ignore that reputable data during their lifetime(and...yes, yes, yes, YES, folks...I still BELIEVE in my RIGHT to CHOOSE!!!), then MAYBE their obituary SHOULD INCLUDE that portion about the deceased's choices in their life TOO....HUH???!!!
(yep...it might be called: "Getting a more COMPLETE PICTURE of a life in passing"!!!)
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When I read of an accident, especially one which ends in a fatality, I'm always interested to hear if alchohol played a factor and also if they were wearing a helmet. There are of course many accidents where the poor ****** on the bike didnt have a prayer and those I hate to read about those but, the majority of deaths seam as though they could have been prevented. I know that there are dangers in riding a bike, some can be controlled and some cant. I prefer to control as much of the risk as possible.
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The manner in which Phil came to meet his maker is the problem, not weather he wore a helmet or not. If he had worn a helmet the result (unfortunately) would have been the same.
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The manner in which Phil came to meet his maker is the problem, not weather he wore a helmet or not. If he had worn a helmet the result (unfortunately) would have been the same.
Tom
Hmmmmm...interesting, Tom. Now admittedly I MIGHT have missed where in moe's little rant he happens to mention the SPECIFICS of poor Phil's fatal injuries, like say for instance where it might've mentioned that it WASN'T at all any EXTREME HEAD/BRAIN TRAUMA which might've been the basic cause of his fatality?!
(...well, of course, OTHER than that seemingly semi-blind CAGER who pulled the F*** into his path, anyway!)
And so, give me a minute here while I go re-check moe's original post...I'll be right back................
Nope, sorry Tom. The SPECIFICS of poor Phil's fatal injuries were NOT mentioned at all in moe's post. Which leads to the question: How can you possibly say that poor Phil's fate, i.e., his death(I presume you mean) "would have been the same"?
(...maybe yes, and maybe no I'd say...especially without any further information supplied to us...right?!)
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My 2 pence Helmets are a legal requirement over here, however, I found out yesterday that it is only a £30 fine if you don't wear one, but I would still wear one anyway for the built in eye protection. Sure, I could wear shades, but that would limit my riding to day light only, and I have enough limits on my riding time as it is, thank you very much work. Of course, I could always get goggles, but goggles on their own look rather silly, which defeats the object of not wearing a helmet in the first place. Those of you who choose not to wear a helmet, I respect your choice, and am slightly jealous of the fact you have a choice, but don't come running to me complaining that that choice caused you pain. Not that I hope you will ever need to  Nearly turned into a rant, so I'll end with 'Ride free and safe, brothers and sisters' 
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Dwight the Palm Bay paper says he hit the passenger door.
I think, its been a while, the speed limit there is 35ish.
Drive your body at 35MPH then throw it forward into steel and handlebars. It doesn't end well. That is a high speed accident for those of us that understand speed like you do.
Exactly Tom. If it was a serious head injury they would have said it. I suspect it was not. Heaven forbid they may need to say the helmet played no role in this fatality. I suspect serious cervical fractures with big internal injuries.
But, there is always a but. The pro helmet law makers will argue, he would not be dead if he had a helmet. Regardless of the injuries.
I wear my helmet about 1/3 of the time when I ride my death trap motorcycle. I then go out among the drunk and inattentive cagers. I stop and see my drinking and smoking friends as we over eat then ride our death traps home to die of something either on the way or when we get there.
If I survive today, the scary part is I may do it again tomorrow. Wow! the law of averages are hard at work, something is gonna kill me one day.
I think health service warnings should be left to menus and advertisements. The guy is dead but as a society we can't even manage to be nice after they die.
I never read that morbidly obese Joe Smith died of T2 diabetes complications. The coroners report said he was a big over eater and didn't take care of himself at all. Translated to the fat pig ate himself to death.
Now that shows a lack of personal responsibility and lack of forethought (IMHO). But those helmets! oh boy, they need discussion in the newspaper.
Anyhow, its a personal choice, like owning a bike to begin with, smoking, drinking, marriage, adultery, and diet. All of which can kill you.
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Nope, sorry Tom. The SPECIFICS of poor Phil's fatal injuries were NOT mentioned at all in moe's post. Which leads to the question: How can you possibly say that poor Phil's fate, i.e., his death(I presume you mean) "would have been the same"?
I didn't know Phil personally, but I did ride with him and the Misfits on occasion. I am not against helmets (I wear one almost all the time), but when you hit something at 35 - 45 MPH having a helmet on won't make much of a difference.
Accidents happen and a lot of times having a helmet really does help, but other times it just doesn't matter. In this accident mentioning that Phil didn't wear a helmet just adds insult to his life ending injuries, and appears to give the driver of the car an out/excuse for why the death wasn't their fault.
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And Ron, your above post is also speculative as to this rider's ultimate cause of death.(key word here: "Ultimate"!)
And so, maybe the BASIC problem with these whole "The media reported today that Rider-X wasn't wearing a helmet, and so that's pissin' me off that they stated that" kind of threads which occasionally pop up around here, is that we the public are NOT getting the WHOLE STORY!
Maybe IF from now on instead of JUST stating in their reports the wearing or not wearing of a helmet after a fatal crash, IF they would go on to do their friggin' jobs as they should, and would start reporting the COMPLETE STORY of what Rider-X's predominate fatal injuries were(and NOT just some "He was loved by his family and friends...and is now flying free with the doves" kind of sugar-coated and simplified..well, sorry to say...CRAP, like moe suggested), then maybe WE the PUBLIC could start doing OUR friggin' jobs which entails TAKING INFORMATION and then making a more INFORMED decision about the CHOICES at our disposal on how best to prolong our lives, especially in THIS regard, HUH?!
Uh huh, perhaps THIS is the REAL ISSUE here!!!
(...it's not that we're getting too much info, or even some percieved "bias" in these reports, it's possibly that we're NOT getting ENOUGH info!!!)
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Hay, Dwight 1 is back     
Good to hear from you, there's been some pretender hanging around
Sorry  , but I couldn't contain myself 
Yep, Bryn. It appears the ORIGINAL BLOWHARD is back and is stating his unpopular opinions with that ol' "vim and vigor" as he used to, huh?!
(btw...thanks for the "Welcome Back"  !)
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Nope, sorry Tom. The SPECIFICS of poor Phil's fatal injuries were NOT mentioned at all in moe's post. Which leads to the question: How can you possibly say that poor Phil's fate, i.e., his death(I presume you mean) "would have been the same"?
I didn't know Phil personally, but I did ride with him and the Misfits on occasion. I am not against helmets (I wear one almost all the time), but when you hit something at 35 - 45 MPH having a helmet on won't make much of a difference.
Accidents happen and a lot of times having a helmet really does help, but other times it just doesn't matter. In this accident mentioning that Phil didn't wear a helmet just adds insult to his life ending injuries, and appears to give the driver of the car an out/excuse for why the death wasn't their fault.
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"but when you hit something at 35 - 45 MPH having a helmet on won't make much of a difference."
I go to my friends motorcross races alot over the last few years he races and his kid does also.. these guys go down alot at well over 35mph+ most of the time and yes ther helmet save them ..ask any one of them if they would not race in anything but a full face helmet... they would look at you and go..."that just stupid"
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It was the CAPS LOCK that gave it away
...to say NOTHING of all those friggin' parentheses, RIGHT???!!!
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I go to my friends motorcross races alot over the last few years he races and his kid does also.. these guys go down alot at well over 35mph+ most of the time and yes ther helmet save them ..ask any one of them if they would not race in anything but a full face helmet... they would look at you and go..."that just stupid"
They don't hit a fixed unmovable object at 35 and walk away. They fall off or skid off onto dirt or hay. The impact is reduced as they skid, brake, roll or whatever else is happening. Even the ultra fast Moto GP racers are going in one direction and as they fall they generally slide taking off speed every fraction of a second.
Restraint is weight x Speed. A 200lb person at 40 needs 8000lbs. of restraint to keep him in one place. A 20 pound baby in a sudden collision weighs 800 pounds on impact at 40MPH. Thus belted passengers holding children can never hold onto them at impact.
40MPH is about how fast you get going if you fall off a 4 story building.
Anyhow when you broadside a car at 35 or 40MPH it is a big, bad, horrific accident if you are not ejected over the car.
Imagine jumping off a 4 story building onto your Snell full faced helmet. Your neck and the rest of you really won't like it. 
In any event, Dwight, helmets can certainly save lives. Yes the press should ask the medical examiner.
1- Primary cause of death
2- If head would other injury have killed him anyway?
Only then does it matter or make sense for social commentary about helmets or the lack of them.
Dwight, when you run 80 or so down the mountain and hit the wall, do you think your helmet is gonna save you? just kidding.
My personal limit is 48MPH but I know you go fast.
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Seems like he died because he was riding a motorcycle. Would he be happier today if he had never rode a bike? Maybe his family would be. If the safety Nazis and your mother had their way, the motorcycle would be gone. A cage can be designed to protect the idiots behind the wheel, hence, the number of accidents have increased and fatalities have decreased. I believe that all safety features should be removed from a cage, and a sharp and pointy blade be added to the steering column. I would guaranty that a driver would be a lot more involved with his driving.
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My father in law had a bad accident 4 days ago and the helmet saved his life. A car pulled out in front of him as he was going through a green light and he was sent flying off his bike after he hit the side of the car. The first thing he landed on was his face. His injuries are a broken arm. That's it. If he had not been wearing a helmet, God knows what the outcome would be.
That being said, I personally believe in the freedom of choice but we don't have that choice here in Missouri.
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For some reason the media always portrays accidents involving motorcycles with the motorcyclist being in the wrong, even when in most cases is the automobile/truck driver that is in the wrong. I get sick of the perception that riding a motorcycle is a "bad thing to do" in this country.
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It seems bizaree that anyone be offended by facts, the reporting of them, much try to claim that the reporting of them is/was callous and insensitive. If drinking, speeding, no helmet, underinflated tires or whatever are involved, if its the facts, whats the problem? Helmets do protect your head, regardless of whether you want to admit in or not. Really, it seems that when facing facts, it makes those who are bothered uncomfortable with their choices and they dont like to face it. Its the facts, the truth, and should be reported.
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Physics.
Energy dissipation.
Something absorbs energy acted upon a body in motion, either your skin or any combination of plastic, foam, carbon fiber, whatever.
By the time the energy gets to your skin/skull, hopefully it has been reduced significantly that the damage is lessened enough to survive the insult. That is why cagers survive most crashes IF they remain in the car, the car body absorbs the impact that would otherwise be acted upon the body.
Nobody as seen the effects up as close and personal than those of us who tend to the wounds, not even the experts that speculate from afar.
Moe has a point in the initial commentary but the media loves to point out the contributing factors. I don't know that it is appropriate to use a tragedy in generic publication/broadcast to convey a veiled public safety message.
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My father in law had a bad accident 4 days ago and the helmet saved his life. A car pulled out in front of him as he was going through a green light and he was sent flying off his bike after he hit the side of the car. The first thing he landed on was his face. His injuries are a broken arm. That's it. If he had not been wearing a helmet, God knows what the outcome would be.
That being said, I personally believe in the freedom of choice but we don't have that choice here in Missouri.
Chris, this is same father in law that rode himself into a ditch for no reason while you two were out riding together? Glad he wasn't too hurt, but maybe he should think twice about riding. Sounds like he has bad luck...
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If all of the facts are being reported then fine. But it seems the way they are reported is misleading. If you are going to report that he wasn't wearing a helmet then also state that the automobile failed to yield causing the accident. The way they report it implies that had he been wearing a helmet maybe he would be ok.
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Everyone else has had a go so I will to. I have to wear a helmet, legally. Even if I didn't have to, I still would. Why? I work with intellectually disabled people. Most of them are born that way, but we have our fair share of acquired brain injury clients too. They and their families have miserable lives. In many ways these people would be better off dead.
I choose a helmet not because I'm worried about dieing in an accident, but because I'm worried that an accident might NOT kill me.
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Oh... and as to why the papers report "the rider was not wearing a helmet" I would have thought it was obvious... because if they had chosen a helmet they might still be alive.
If you're lucky enough to live in an area where you have the freedom to make a choice about helmet use that's nice for you, but don't then go and complain about the fact that the media also has the freedom to report items of interest.
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I really don't want to read this whole thread. someone tell me if someone gets out of hand, m'kay? (I want to know if they are wearing a helmet because if they are I want to know how it happened, how bad was the accident. I wear a helmet 99.9% of the time. Often, tourists come to Montana, and ditch the helmet because they can, then get themselves perished. I get a Google news feed that tells me about most if not all the accidents in the state and rarely, if ever, are they wearing a helmet and dead.) Carry on with all your "expert" opinions. 
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Just read a European study on crashes. (MAIDES) 40% involve hitting the highway with no other car. 70% are under 30KPH. 8% the helmet came off.
The 70% being low speed impresses me. That is where the helmet saves lives.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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And sometimes, if you're inexperienced and don't know how to corner, a helmet makes no difference... Quote:
A man from Conrad died after rolling his motorcycle several times outside of Lincoln on Sunday.
The Montana Highway Patrol reports that the 60-year old male was traveling west on Highway 200 ascending into Rogers Pass when he man made a sharp left hand turn and drifted into the right hand lane.
He then lost control on loose gravel and rolled over several times.
The victim was air-lifted to Benefis hospital in Great Falls, where he was pronounced dead.
Authorities say that speed and alcohol were not factors in the accident and add that the victim was wearing a helmet when he crashed.
I've been on that road several times and I can't fathom how an experienced rider could wreck. It's not that curvy. It's in good shape and has plenty of shoulder.
http://www.kxlh.com/news/conrad-man-dies-in-motorcycle-accident-near-lincoln/
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Honestly why would you not wear one
The helmet makes the ride more comfortable
Keeps bugs, stones, sand, exhast,etc from hitting your mug
Protects your eyes
Keeps your head warm-allowing us in wisconsin to get a few more weeks in (it is funny the crap people wear on thier heads-multiple bandanna, fur hats, leather beanies, watch caps- all not nearly as effective as a helmet in retaining warmth)
Keeps the sun off your head in warm weather.
I don't dress for the crash- I dress for the ride, not sitting in a bar or at a festival!
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The Montana Highway Patrol reports that the 60-year old male was traveling west on Highway 200 ascending into Rogers Pass when he man made a sharp left hand turn and drifted into the right hand lane.
He then lost control on loose gravel and rolled over several times.
The victim was air-lifted to Benefis hospital in Great Falls, where he was pronounced dead.
Hmmmmm...I wonder if the guy's last thoughts were somethin' like: "Now I wish I would've learned that thing my buddy told me about 'Late Apexing'!!!"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Honestly why would you not wear one..
That one is easy: Time.
Time is needed to insert the ear plugs, place a full face lid on, and to slip a jacket on and zip it up. And then ya have to slip the hands in a pair of gloves. Then take em off so you can get the key out of your pocket. Then slip them on again. Time. It really sucks to have to do that all the time. Each and every time. Yet how long does it take to ring a freaking bell and have someone assist you to the bathroom, zip down your fly and hold your member as you drool all over yourself and not even know your name? Call it what we like, I dress for the crash in the hopes that the gear will minimize the deleterious aftermath. Not because it is a sure way to survive a crash. It isn't.
There is not a helmet law in Florida for practical purposes (insurance requirement needs to be met as well as an age requirement). I choose. I choose to sweat my rear end off. To risk ruining a good jacket and lid and gloves and draggin jeans/chaps.
So again, Helmets? Who cares? Quality of life is a personal decision. Whatever we decide we live with. Sometimes forever, sometimes for a second.
(lids jackets and gloves are primarily to keep some busty blond, with a loose fitting blouse, from brushing road gravel out of my epidermal layers. If the gear helps out in other ways all the better.)
Blowing gravel off rural roads
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Honestly why would you not wear one.
In the winter they keep my head warm, in rain they keep the rain from stinging my face. At night they keep the big bugs from hitting me in the forehead. In my city 6 months a year they fry me and I truly hate them. I do have a Scorpion EXO-100 that I think rocks! Its just right to keep the sun off, keep the ears warm and has a flip up visor.
Other than that I may not wear one because I choose not to wear one. I think we should also argue that its not just a helmet. You should be wearing only a full faced modular Snell rated helmet. Why would you not? We should also require they all be hot pink for visibility.
Well, you would not because of freedom of choice. The rider gets to decide. 30 States in the U.S. have figured that one out.
We wouldn't need them at all if we just outlawed motorcycles. Really, a car is climate controlled, great stereo, serious comfort, haul a ton of stuff, take 5 friends with you. Why would we not just drive cars?
I am just teasing but social engineering via legislation simply sucks IMHO>
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I nearly always wear a helmet but yesterday I rode 75 miles with a windshield. At lower speeds it was exhilarating. At high speeds (especially with a headwind) it was brutal and exhausting. I'm going to leave it off unless it rains or I'm leaving town.
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A good, Aria full face helmet saved my daughter from serious injury two years ago. She slid across the road on the crown of the helmet and rec'd no injuries besides two broken feet (no boots..). I took one look at her helmet and put my skid lids in storage and bought a good Scorpion 3/4 lid. It's a personal decision. At times this summer I rode in shorts. No doubt that is risky behaviour.
But the use or not of safety equipment should have no bearing on whether or not a person who is at fault in an accident is held completely accountable. Sadly, this never seems to happen thru our courts (Billy Lane case excepted).
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I took one look at Freedom's face and decided against a 3/4 helmet. 
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I took one look at Freedom's face and decided against a 3/4 helmet.
Was this BEFORE or AFTER his unfortunate spill, John???
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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My wife told me that when I cover my face with a helmet... ... it's an upgrade  
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My wife told me that when I cover my face with a helmet...
... it's an upgrade
And not ONLY was that funny, but Martin here wins the "Combine Two Threads In One" Award of the Day!!!
(...congratulations, Martin!...don't spend the cash award all in one place, okay?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Some on this blog really need to get rid of their bikes and just cage it. 
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I choose a helmet not because I'm worried about dieing in an accident, but because I'm worried that an accident might NOT kill me.
Pretty much sums it up. Too old to heal quickly as well.
Besides, I have a responsibility to my spouse not to end up a witless moron due to a head trauma. I understand that many of you choose to shirk your own responsibilities to your spouses and kids by claiming personal freedom but that's just a selfish dodge.
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I always wear the gear. The full gear....full face helmet with face shield, gloves, armored riding jacket, kevlar jeans and boots.
When I first got the bike I went down twice in a month both executing tight left turns at about 2 MPH and I was looking at the ground instead of where I wanted to go. I ended up on the ground. Both times my noggin was bashed against the ground.
When I had a serious mishap in 12/08 at 35 MPH I dumped the bike to avoid being T Boned by a car full of teens at night and again the helmet saved my noggin. The other stuff was handy as I suffered no road rash, no lacerations but I did get some brusing and a broken Fibula when the bike fell onto my ankle.
I just finished riding through a Las Vegas summer of h%%$ wearing all the gear. I found a wet vest that I wear under a mesh jacket and it makes riding in hot weather bearable.
Not pleasant but bearable. The head is a big item to cool and even with a well ventilated helmet the air trying to cool you down at 110 degrees does not do much to make your head comfortable at all. It became a sweat bucket and I wonder why it does not stink with all the sweat it has absorbed.
To ride the bike at low speeds (up to 50) is OK without the windshield but to ride the bike on the highway at 60 MPH or more the chunk of plastic in front of me is very welcome and appreciated.
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Re wearin' the helmet in extreme heat, and to expand upon your post, Dan... A few weeks back, Larry Disney riding from his home in Des Moines to California in order to attend a seminar about his future purchase of a UPS franchise, stopped for the night at my place here in Prescott. (yes, yes, folks...if you're wonderin', we had a couple of very stimulating political discussions while he was here...but that's really NOT the point of this, and so I'll move on...OKAY?!) Well ANYWAY, just as he left my house the next day to continue on down the mountains around here and into the desert to connect to I-10 and onto California, I asked him to give me a call on his cellphone when he got to his destination in SoCal so I would know he made it there in one piece and in good shape...which he did. (and btw, if you see this Larry, thanks for the call, and it truly was a pleasure to have finally met ya face-to-face!!!) And, while on the phone, he told me that while going through the deserts of AZ and CA he noticed that wearing his helmet really helped him fight the extreme heat down there (which is somethin' I pretty much knew anyway) as it was averaging about 110F that day on I-10. And so, the point is, during the extremely hot dry summer months in the lower elevations of AZ, I tend to see many if not the majority of riders who are comin' up to the higher elevations of Prescott to escape the summer heat who aren't wearing helmets(for those who might not know, AZ has no mandatory helmet laws for adult riders), and I've always wondered how it is that those riders seem to be under the misconception that it's somehow cooler(not "cooler lookin'", which I'll bet is what they're thinkin') for them by not wearing a helmet in these kinds of temperature conditions? (...but then again, most of the riders I'm talkin' about here are ridin' them there Harley-Davidson motorsickles, and so these are folks who are probably under a whole host of misconceptions about things, huh?!...like which motorcycle brand is the coolest...lookin', in THIS case!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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My helmet keeps me cooler in the hot weather around here, also the H-D crowd here does'nt get it, cuz the leather beanie seems to be the way to go!
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I can honestly say, the more I wear my full face helmet, the more I like it. It's hard not to put on the half for around town in the hot summer though. I've actually been looking to get more gear for all weather, I do feel more comfortable on the bike when I'm protected. Maybe one day I will even put the armor back in my Triumph jacket
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I thought that I perceived a shift or convergence in the space/time continuum. Anyway, I've always asserted that my full gear; full face helmet, mesh jacket, long pants, full gloves, boots help keep me more comfortable during the peak heat of summer. Looks like Larry and I will agree on that
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And helps you extend your riding season up here in wisconsin
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Personally one needs his/her head examined for not wearing a helmet. It is not remotely close to a seat belt law. It is more requiring a seat. Hit the brakes hard at 5 MPH in rainy weather stopping on the large crosswalk paint . Bike was on the ground in NY second, head slammed the pavement. Instead of a trip to the hospital and head fracture I righted the bike shaking and unhurt thanks to my helmet.
For you riders not wearing a helmet religiously please have your organ donor card current and life insurance for family. You spend good money on leather, boots and glasses why not the most important safety apparell? As hazardous as motorcycle riding is most head injuries are preventable using a good DOT helmet.
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There were no portents of doom, no premonitions, for Tommy
it was just another Thursday. He got up, showered, shaved,
had his usual breakfast of Oatmeal and Cheetos, all systems
normal. He went out for his morning commute to his job as
Sou Chef at the Roadkill Cafe. But during his drive, the traffic
seemed particularly mindless. The number of texters, makeup
artists, tweeters, status updaters and those affirming their
love had increased to critical proportions. Earlier, a brief
rainshower had fallen, just enough to float the highway grease
to the surface. To make matters worse, today of all days, Tommy
had not worn his helmet. As he passed exit 34, an overwrought,
underappreciated Soccer Mom decided, at the last second,
to take exit 34, and spend her hard-earned cash at Chantelle's
Aromatherapy, Lingerie, and Liquor Store. She cut hard across
six lanes of traffic, directly at Tommy. Directly at his Helmetless Head.
Tommy slowed down, let her go by, and continued safely to work,
where he made his famous Tequila, Psilocybe, and Sinsemilla Reduction Sauce.
Which would be World Famous, if not for it's amnesia-inducing qualities.
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Personally one needs his/her head examined for not wearing a helmet. It is not remotely close to a seat belt law.
For you riders not wearing a helmet religiously please have your organ donor card current and life insurance for family.
What would you say to the person who calls you stupid for owning a motorcycle because it is dangerous, or telling you that you need your head examined for it? In its own context that would be a pretty valid question IMHO> So, you chose to buy a bike knowing they are inherently dangerous anyhow? What is wrong with you?
I am really curious as to what you would say. I know it wouldn't be that it is your choice and not theirs. I know you wouldn't say they should mind their own business and not be judgmental. Or would you? So, what should we say to you?
Just picking this one bit as food for thought, you don't have to answer.
Bikers are about freedom. Going against the wind in their own way, following their own roads, and respecting others routes as they meet along the way.
That is what I would say. Or the shortened version that has two words and is against the AUP of the board.
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I would almost be tempted to say that anyone who has not rode without a helmet, without any protective gear, just the wind in your face, does not really know what freedom and bikes are about. I would never say that anyone who chooses to wear all of the gear needs to have their head examined. I choose not to.
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I would not be here if I was not wearing a helmet @16.
Wear your brain bucket please,
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I never wear a helmet unless passing through a state that requires I wear one. I also wear a T shirt and jeans when the weather is warm enough to do so. My choice and I love the feeling of freedom it gives me. I love the wind in my face and can not understand why anyone would want to wear all that restrictive uncomfortable gear when the point is pleasure and fun and freedom. Almost everyone I ride with chooses not to wear the gear including Wendy. I can actually see it from both angles and do understand why some choose to wear it but it should be a choice and because I choose not to does not make me any less intelligent than the person who chooses to wear all the gear all the time. All it means is I choose freedom.
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Please, do not concern yourself with my actions, or my beliefs. I take full responsibility for myself. If I were to die tomorrow on my bike, I would die a happy man, because I ride. My family totally understands this. My grandfather rode, my dad rode with my mother, and my wife rides with me. This is why I have lived so long. Remember, if you ain't busy being born, you're busy dieing.
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Do what you like. And I've ridden without the gear when I was young and invulnerable so I understand what it's like. As far as "restrictive" and "uncomfortable"; neither applies, in fact as I've pointed out, the gear actually makes the ride more comfortable and thus more enjoyable. So If you choose to not wear the gear, that's all you do, is choose not to wear the gear. No need to try to rationalize it. And no, it doesn't make one less intelligent to make that choice, and I won't argue the converse either. It's not choosing freedom or any other such noble pursuit, it's simply not wanting to wear the gear. At work, I wear safety glasses, hard hat and safety toe boots. It's a condition of employment, but I would wear them even if it wasn't. On the bike I wear the gear because I choose to (the helmet is required, the rest isn't). The BIG problem I have with people who don't choose to is that they tend to try to make assertions that wearing safety gear somehow makes the rider less safe  Or they have to make excuses about comfort and freedom that are also misguided. If you don't want to, just say so and leave it at that. And if someone thinks you're a dumbass for making whichever choice you make...................well, I stopped giving a sh!t what other people think somewhere around the second grade. I CHOOSE to make a risky behavior, hobby, choice, (addiction? ) a little less likely to seriously f*ck me up and leave my family without my adored presence. Because I WANT to.
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+1 to what the Dogg and Satxron said.
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As far as "restrictive" and "uncomfortable"; neither applies, in fact as I've pointed out, the gear actually makes the ride more comfortable and thus more enjoyable
In your opinion and that was pretty much my point. I am uncomfortable and feel restricted and that is my opinion and I am not trying to force it on anyone else either by putting them down for wearing it all or trying to enact a law.
As for freedom, I wasn't trying to make my choice seem noble just that I want to live in a free country where people are free to make choices, good or bad. I too wear safety glasses and a hard hat at work because required. If I had the choice I probably would not.
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thanks for stating the obvious so clearly. we made a choice not to live in fear. NO ONE LIVES FOREVER. lets not forget freedom so easily.
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it is about freedom when they make laws that force the issue. i have insurance good insurance actually my family would be better off if i die. money wise.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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If you think you are in controll of any of the factors in an accident you are already brain damaged. I have read as many time a healthy person jogging in the park died, and teens playing football die every year. the jerks who complain about folks who smoke usually drink, and the ones who complain about bikers wearing helmets talk on cell phones driving. i saw a child riding a plastic tricycle in a grassy yard wearing a helmet and pads. poor thing looked like a hockey player in 100 degree weather.  i wonder how long the child played that day?
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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i saw a child riding a plastic tricycle in a grassy yard wearing a helmet and pads. poor thing looked like a hockey player in 100 degree weather. i wonder how long the child played that day?
I got all that gear for my kid too. The only thing I make him wear every time is the helmet. Of course, he rides in the street, not a grassy yard.
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Seems like he died because he was riding a motorcycle. Would he be happier today if he had never rode a bike? Maybe his family would be. If the safety Nazis and your mother had their way, the motorcycle would be gone. A cage can be designed to protect the idiots behind the wheel, hence, the number of accidents have increased and fatalities have decreased. I believe that all safety features should be removed from a cage, and a sharp and pointy blade be added to the steering column. I would guaranty that a driver would be a lot more involved with his driving.
****** ya lets get rid of all safety crap. dont they complain we are over populated. (and only the very smart will live) . we do seem to be devolving. I dont believe we came from monkeys, maybe we are becoming them.
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What really kills me is the FL law that mandates wearing a seat belt. Not wearing one is enough to get you pulled over by a leo, that is it is a primary offense. So, 3000 miles on my truck per year and 20g+ on the bikes. Gov'mt mandating safety belts is kind of out of left field, as to this day I CANNOT find the safety belt on either of my motorsickles! Double standard eh? Those that own (and ride) a motorsickle ought not be subject to the nanny state vis-a-vis seat belt laws when they have to cage it.
[[[(I choose to wear a seat belt while in a cage.) ((Just the other day I was riding in 57 Coronet and dang, real strange not having a shoulder strap. Only the lap belt and with that big ole bulky, triple chromed buckle! ))]]]
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My 55 Studebaker has no belts at all and never did. There is a seat belt law here in PA too. I think that should be a choice just like the helmet.
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those laws are a way of making money for a corrupt machine. They dont give a rats a## about safety. its all about $$$$$$$$$$$. so keep re-electing them till they take it all, and we can be as free as the Chinese. We can all live in tiny huts and work our a** off for our government hand out. when we are really good we can have a small piece of meat as a reward on the holidays.
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Check your local school buses for seat belts You get a ticket if you take your kid to the bus stop without a belt so he can get on a bus without belts. That is because they don't want the liability of an accident and not having them belted. So they just don't have them avoiding that inconvenient litigation should your kid get hurt and not be belted. But that is a whole other issue. The poor guy on HD got killed. I think its a shame and feel for the family he leaves behind. I don't really care to judge him. He should have had his seat belt on!
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I was thinking about this thread while riding today, during one of those butt puckering moments involving a blind cager.
If a car wrecks, they'd include the fact that someone involved wasn't wearing a seatbelt, so I suppose its relevant.
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I'm just gonna override any and all posts in this here thread by answering to the original subject... that being and I quote, "Helmet? Who freaking cares?"
I CARE... THAT'S WHO FREAKING CARES!!!! (No emoticons that I can find to emphasis my point!)
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I care too...BUT...I also believe in personal responsibility. My Dad and I are talking about riding to Sturgis next year. It's been one of his dreams. My Dad is one of those only a helmet if he has to, no protective gear what so ever. I wish he would, I am an ATGATT sort of guy, so it makes me crazy, but it's his choice and it makes him happy. I never wore anything when I was a kid, other than jeans and a T-shirt and old, old, old fullface helmet. That was the only thing my Mom asked me to do. I never wore a seatbelt either, but now I couldn't imagine not wearing one, or wearing all the gear. I wouldn't do it, but it should be a choice. ~Brent Plus, business has been down.
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The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer.
In this Florida heat, a lot of the ATGATT riders aren't out during our extended summers. The ones that are, are b1tching all the time about the heat.
Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of your surroundings.
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One of misconceptions people have about helmets, is that they block vision, hearing or are hot
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They are hotter then wearing no helmet,they DO block vision unless its a skid lid [why bother really].If it covers your ears,it does impair hearing [again,,,,unless its a skid lid].No misconception.All facts.That being said ,mostly I wear a helmet unless Im just in the mood to go putting around.
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When riding in hot temperatures, a full face helmet is cooler. It blocks the hair dryer in the face effect and most are very well vented.
80 mph wind rushing past your ears effectively deafens you to other sounds. You hear better with a helmet blocking that wind. And it doesn't affect your ability to hear while stopped either, I will stop in parking lot make a phone call and just use the speakerphone with my helmet still on.
Erle, if you have 360° vision you're a freak; normal people have about 90°of peripheral vision to each side.
D.O.T requires an an opening of 105° to each side. Mine is much more than that, I cannot see the corners of my face shield even when I turn my eyes.
Rocks, wind, and bugs do far more to limit ones vision.
Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Like I said before, if you don't want to wear one, then don't.
Just have the balls to say you don't want to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
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And to the original question:
(To paraphrase) Who freaking cares whether someone who died in a motorcycle crash was wearing a helmet or not?
I'm with Keith. I freaking care too.
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Well I care as well, but it would be nice when they report that the rider wasn't wearing a helmet that they also report weather it was a contributing factor in the riders death. You see when they put a blank statement that "the rider wasn't wearing a helmet" in a story like this without qualifying that statement the none riding public will just think it was the riders fault he died because he didn't wear a helmet. It tends to deflect the real reason the rider lost his life, which is careless driving by someone in a car.
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One of misconceptions people have about helmets, is that they block vision, hearing or are hot
No misconception there, some do block vision and they are all hot, even my light 1/2 helmet. Especially when it is pushing or in the triple digits.
No myth of an uninformed person here, I have had to wear a helmet by law for most of my riding life and had a full face when I was younger. Very hot, restrictive,vision limiting and it does limit hearing. My 1/2 helmet is even worse in the hearing impairing department. The wind whips through the strap and is at least twice as noisy as no helmet. To the point I can't hear my open pipes on the highway. As for hearing I will admit that a full face allows me to hear better than no helmet but not by much. I wear foam ear plugs and they stop the wind effect but allow me to hear pretty darn well. No full face in the world allows the range of vision that no helmet does. In a crash where there is no head impact ( I have had some as a kid so don't try that never happens) the helmet can cause serious neck and back injury that would not have otherwise happened. I wear glasses so the bugs, rocks, rain, dust or anything else do no more to impair my vision than a person with a helmet on.I even sometimes wear goggles. It is a personal choice that is all, your choice is no better than the next persons choice.
In a crash I do not care in the least if a person was wearing a helmet or not, after the fact it is too late to change the choice weather it would have made a difference or not. I don't care of an operator wore a seat belt or not either. If the person who was either seriously hurt or killed made that decision and that choice wouldn't have made any difference then what good does it do anyone to imply they made a good or bad decision?
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...I have had to wear a helmet by law for most of my riding life and had a full face when I was younger. Very hot, restrictive,vision limiting and it does limit hearing.
Well Ian, you may not be aware of this, but helmet design has made some great strides forward since those "halcyon days" of our youth, when most motorcycles still had kickstarters and breaker points ignition systems, AND when full-face helmets looked like this Bell Star here...
(..uh huh, yep, I kid you not....and some of 'em even have flip-up chinbars nowadays TOO, ol' buddy!!!)
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Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Too bad you don't listen to your own advice.
I don't do most of my riding @ 80 mph. In congested traffic, it's usually under 50, and I hear just find.
Just have the balls to say you want (or have) to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
Re-read my post, it says basically, "go your own way"
With all DUE respect.
I base MY opinions on the fact that I do BOTH. Wear one sometimes, probably 20% of the time, and don't.
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Yuppo,my opinion based on the facts are exactly as Erle states.The thing about 80mph is that helmet or no helmet your a dead man if you hit the pavement.I have the balls as well to state my reasons and plain fact as to why my choices are what they are concerning helmet use.Your opinion that wearing a helmet is that it makes you feel cooler when its hot?By all means wear it and take a chill pill Bigbill.
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Myths live on by uninformed people spouting their opinions.
Too bad you don't listen to your own advice.
I don't do most of my riding @ 80 mph. In congested traffic, it's usually under 50, and I hear just find.
Just have the balls to say you want (or have) to wear one instead of making all kinds of (wrong) claims about helmets.
Re-read my post, it says basically, "go your own way"
With all DUE respect.
I base MY opinions on the fact that I do BOTH. Wear one sometimes, probably 20% of the time, and don't.
I travel alot over the summer and have to wear one in many states near me so I too do both. I probably wear one less than10% of the time though since I avoid those states as much as I can.
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Try this experiment. Turn a hair dryer on hot and blow it in your face.
Now hold something up and block the air. Cooler huh.
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Not a valid experiment, More accurate would be to put the helmet on and go into a room at 100º F then stand in front of a fan. Then do the same with no helmet.
I just experienced this on my trip to Fl. and I have to tell you even my half helmet was torture compared to when I crossed the state line and could finally take the darn thing off. With the helmet off my sweat could evaporate thus cooling me the way the body was designed to cool itself. Not to mention the air flow over the area that the helmet had covered before.
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100°? No Ian, I'm talking about HOT weather. Helmets are quite comfortable when it's only 100°  Even standing still! Actually now, for your version you need the sun factored in as well. So it's invalid.
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I mean 100º and humid and even with the sun factored in as in my trip to Fl. there was no contest as to what was cooler and that was once the helmet came off. I did need sun block on the bald head then though.
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That could be the difference right there, I never see much over 100º and it is always humid here just varying degrees of humidity. I can tell you for sure under those conditions no helmet is much much cooler. I just want to clarify that I am not advocating anyone not wear a helmet that wants to wear one just expressing my personal views and experiences.
I think it would be interesting to have you try the conditions here and me there and see if our opinions on what is cooler would change.
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Try 117° and dry.
At that temp (and I'm an advocate of wearing a helmet) there's not freakin' way the helmet would stay on, laws or not laws. Instinct woulda kicked in before logic!!!
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Well, let's take Ian's example with a fan. But we have to make it a fan capable of duplicating highway speeds. Let's say 60mph wind. Now we go into that 117° room and blow that fan on your face. Now put on the full face helmet (a modern one not an old Bell Star), better, huh? It is. I live it every summer. And the mesh jacket keeps me cooler for the same reasons, it diffuses the wind and shades my skin. He!!, this is something that even Larry Disney agrees with me on.
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Depends on where and how Im riding that day..Just going Up and down the strip at the beach NO helmet Going out for a longer ride I use one on just to calm down some wind noise ! matter of fact this one http://www.skullcrushgear.com/34-low-profile-helm34.html
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I live what I stated every summer too,but that no more validates my view to you than yours to me. I wear a T shirt because it's cooler too. I really feel the difference in our views on cooling lies in the humidity.
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We could take a HUGE number of facts that makes one person feel cooler then another...I am sure a 350lbs mans feels Hotter then a 150lbs. man (maybe not), Does that person work in the heat day in day out?? That plays a part to each its own if A helmet leather jackets and pants makes you feel cooler in the summer go for it.....RIDE ON BROTHERS ! 
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May be.
I find that my helmet is comfortable all year, even during our high heat and humidity season. We get that for about a month every summer, 100+°/100%.
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Either way HOT is HOT not matter what you wear 
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Back to the main Point . News live on only bringing you all the bad in the world, I really have to think when have they told you a story and you stopped and went Hmm Every man/women has it in them to do good! But are we are too busy watching Dancing with the STARS to really care and do something? I have called my local TV station and stated okay stop with the junk. So I now choose not to watch the news! I have tried picking up a book and reading (does Playboy count?) but that doesn't work for me so now I am left seaching the web for cool stuff and playing on Fbook ..Sorry for all that has lost a love one ..it is their choice to wear what they want ! Thats want make America great FREEDOM !!!!!!!!
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Anyone want to start on "Roe vs Wade"!
Hmmmm, lets see here....Fish eggs versus Helmholtz Resonators, huh?!
Well, I think I'm sidin' with the Helmholt Resonators then!!!
(....though I have to admit Wade slipped me twenty bucks to say that!!!!)
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(....though I have to admit Wade slipped me twenty bucks to say that!!!!)
I thought so.
It's actually referring to caviar. The fishermen have to "wade" out to bring the sturgeon in. Then they cut a "V" in the fishes belly to get to the "roe" so that I can enjoy it with brie on a piece of Melba toast.
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I like salmon roe, never tried sturgeon. I get it at the sushi bar. Add a tiny bit of wasabi, man outta sight.
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Well. Some things never change around this Burgh. Self rightious safety geeks beating up on the non helmet wearing freedom loving motorsickle riders.
He he he. Its always been about freedom of choice...for those of us who do not live in non free states.
Its really like smoking. Lots of helmet freaks HAVE to stop for a smoke break so they contribute to THEIR long term health and welfare but as soon as that last puff is done they'd never think of NOT putting that skull bucket on.
So who is really wrong here? No one. LOL
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Hey Bill,
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Yeah, I remember them. I always wore a 3/4 when I had to back in the day. The ol' Bell Stars were like looking through a welding helmet 
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Aw crap, who woke up Kevin.
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Musta been those ******* goats.
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Musta been those ******* goats.
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Kevin! What a point to make! I wonder how many smokers are laying around sick with lung, heart, PAD and whatever costing us money. Drinkers, wow, 60% of all domestic violence in the U.S. involves alcohol according to the FBI> That has to be costing us a ton of money. I propose if you smoke or drink you are not allowed to advocate helmets until you correct your own risky behaviors! (Actually, I smoked myself into a heart attack and do drink so not wearing a helmet seems to be right in character.)
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there were some trolls here before with high post counts. they went away eventually.
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Ahem...hey Dave, what the heck are you tryin' to do here by namin' names..."Wake the dead" or somethin'???!!!
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I propose if you smoke or drink you are not allowed to advocate helmets until you correct your own risky behaviors!
Thank you. sweep off your door step. I'll neglect mine.
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Well guys, though I know I've expressed the following thought here before, but for you recent arrivals around here I'll reiterate my take on this whole smoking issue and how it might figure into this whole helmet thing...
Yep, I still smoke, and yep, I know it's pretty much a dumb CHOICE on my part to continue to risk my health by doin' it.
BUT, at LEAST I can ADMIT that whenever I venture down the street to purchase yet another pack of those cancer sticks, I AIN'T usin' my best judgment. AND, whenever ANYBODY says to me that they think smokin' isn't a wise choice, I HAVE, and I DO always AGREE with those folks who tell me that! And I'm NOT patronizing them when I agree with them EITHER. I KNOW that they're speaking the friggin' TRUTH!
But, I wonder how many folks around here OR those riders I see out there on the road who I don't know, CAN or WILL admit to themselves, or anybody else for that matter, that NOT wearin' a helmet while ridin' around ISN'T the best CHOICE that they can make TOO???!!!
'CAUSE, from what I tend to MAINLY SEE around here is almost ALWAYS a REFUSAL by those folks who CHOOSE not to wear a helmet is to ADMIT that their CHOICE is a less than wise CHOICE! And THEN, these folks tend to get very very very DEFENSIVE about their CHOICE and then attempt to rationalize their choice, just as I attempt to rationalize my choice to smoke. But, ONCE AGAIN you see, I've always fully ADMITTED that I'm boarding on bein' a friggin' MORON every single time I CHOOSE to LIGHT UP a friggin' cigarette!!!
BECAUSE, just like what the Surgeon General has been tellin' us for YEARS NOW that VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC DATA has shown smoking very often leads to lung cancer, emphysema, heart attacks and myriad other ailments, OTHER verifiable scientific data(let alone common-friggin'-sense) has shown wearin' a friggin' BRAIN BUCKET will lead to LESS brain injury in the event of a person(whether that person is a friggin' moronic smoker such as myself, or that person has lungs as pure as the driven snow) crashing their motorcycle, and thus their chances of survival in that event will INCREASE.
(NOW, do you folks get it????...I would just for once like to hear from the people who CHOOSE to refrain from wearin' a helmet to ADMIT that their friggin' CHOICE is a less than wise choice, and WITHOUT havin' them gettin' all friggin' DEFENSIVE about it...that's all...COME ON, I know it's tough for some folks to admit they sometimes make less than wise choices in their life, but it's REALLY NOT that friggin' HARD to DO...it just takes a little friggin' SELF-AWARENESS and ability to call a friggin' spade a friggin' spade, even IF that friggin' spade turns out to be YOU...THAT'S all!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Come on Dwight man, You smoke and say its not wise.I don't smoke but still contradict you. I think you are a wise person. If you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions. You say smoking is dangerous I say maybe, maybe not. (George Burns) for example. I say Its feedom of choice, man. I know if I wreck what the risk is. What I am saying is I dont give a D#MN. Its my choice wise or not is an opinion. The wright brothers were called dangerously stupid, and a hazard to society. History is the great decider.
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You are exactly on target Mr. D. But (always a but)why have this thread at all then? It takes away all the fun of it.
I am not really sure too many folks are saying a helmet is the same as not wearing a helmet. It is more about those who like to guarantee the lack of a helmet will surely kill you as they indicate we must have an IQ below room temperature.
If they won't call me stupid, I won't call them (ATGATT) pussies would be a good deal I think.
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are you going o be at Galveston for the rally on th 6th.
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Look Ron, did I say my IQ was hovering around that 72 "room temperature" number, even though I FIGURATIVELY called myself a "moron" for making the UNWISE CHOICE to continue to smoke? NOPE! And I'm pretty darn sure you know my "IQ" is probably at least in the 50-percentile or higher Demographic, RIGHT?! And soooo, if I CAN acknowledge and agree with others who might chide me for smoking with THEIR argument against my smoking as VALID arguments, and do so withOUT becoming defensive and/or rationalizing to such a degree that their argument somehow holds no validity...THEN....why the heck do those who choose not to wear helmet often RESORT to that defensive stance, such as your line above, by calling or at least feeling those supplying arguments against your stance would be "ATGATT pussies"???(even though I know you meant that somewhat jokingly) Yep...I'm thinkin' here that the non-helmet-wearing riders out there are really SMART ENOUGH to KNOW that their choice is "less than wise"(yep, their "IQ" is probably MUCH HIGHER than that there "72" you mentioned), BUT they're just TOO gall-darn STUBBORNLY PROUD to ADMIT IT!!!! (...uh huh...and I'll bet you've seen more than a few folks along the way who you know to be VERY bright individuals, but who you might ALSO think have made and/or continue to make some very UNwise choices in life TOO, haven't you?...I know I have...HECK, sometimes I even see a person like THAT in my friggin' bathroom MIRROR in the mornin' while I'm shavin'!!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Only history can decide who was wise and who wasn't. Stubborn I am, I don't like wearing a soup bowl on my head. I dont like shavin either, but I do like scotch, haven't found Balinie (is that how its spelled) down here. I did buy Aberlour, Didn't know it was made by Glenlivet. which is another one I like. Had a 24 year Glenlivet the other day.
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Dwight, you sure made me feel good today. I re-read my post after reading yours and I now feel REAL GOOD about myself! Why? Cause after dissecting it line by line, I see just how much I see "eye to eye" with everyone here. How you MAY ask? Here's how; My Post: Re: Helmet? Who freaking cares? [Re: BCarnage] #472680 - 10/19/10 04:20 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO. I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer. In this Florida heat, a lot of the ATGATT riders aren't out during our extended summers. The ones that are, are b1tching all the time about the heat. Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of your surroundings. -------------------- And you may see me tonight With an illegal smile J. Prine Post Extras: Ok, now, "The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident" Ok, this is in agreement with your post, "OTHER verifiable scientific data(let alone common-friggin'-sense) has shown wearin' a friggin' BRAIN BUCKET will lead to LESS brain injury in the event of a person(whether that person is a friggin' moronic smoker such as myself, or that person has lungs as pure as the driven snow) crashing their motorcycle, and thus their chances of survival in that event will INCREASE. " KEY WORDS HERE "In the event....survival in that EVENT will increase" Well, that's what I said "IF you are involved in an accident" So you & I agree here. Great! and I have agreed with your wishes, "I would just for once like to hear from the people who CHOOSE to refrain from wearin' a helmet to ADMIT that their friggin' CHOICE is a less than wise choice" Now, Chad says "I say maybe, maybe not." Well, I said " will/MAY " So we agree. Now, you say "and WITHOUT havin' them getting' all friggin' DEFENSIVE about it...that's all...". Great! NOWHERE in my post did I get offensive, "Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer." & "Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease". Again, we TOTALLY agree. Then I say "ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO. I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet"  This pretty much agrees with Mike, Ron, Ian, Brent's dad, Leonard, Rich, and Chad. Then, "Everyone's opinion is just", Well, That seems to agree with 90% here, INCLUDING Dwight. Then Ron said "If they won't call me stupid, I won't call them (ATGATT) pussies would be a good deal I think." Again, I totally agree!  Then you said "I'm pretty darn sure you know my "IQ" is probably at least in the 50-percentile or higher Demographic, RIGHT?!". Well, hmmm, yea, again I agree. What also makes me feel good is that even when my opinion was blasted, by Bill, and I responded to him, WE EACH KEPT IT TO JUST ONE FRIGGIN' response!!! THEN WE STOPPED!!! NOT ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ...............  And last, but not least, EVERYTHING WAS VERY POLITE! "IMHO.", "Just MY reasons ", "Everyone's opinion is just", "whatever makes you feel safer", "Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease". Ain't it GREAT when we "all just get along"! PEACE! Ok, so not EVERYONE agrees. Where would the fun be there?
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I meant it exactly jokingly. I said it so their blood pressure could rise a bit. Every time we have one of these threads we get the you would have to be stupid not to wear one line. Its about choice. ATGATT folks won't leave the house without boots, armor, full face, leather, cloves and whatever else they can layer on. And that is to drive the car! They put more on for the bike! When some see them they think maybe they should have bought a car with belts and airbags instead. But, nobody gives them a hard time over it. Bottom line is we don't criticize one another. We are all about bikes and the freedoms to chose our own routes in life. No, loco I will be in Oklahoma working so will miss the rally.
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Dwight, you sure made me feel good today.
I re-read my post after reading yours and I now feel REAL GOOD about myself!
Why? Cause after dissecting it line by line, I see just how much I see "eye to eye" with everyone here.
How you MAY ask? Here's how;
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The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer.
In this Florida heat, a lot of the ATGATT riders aren't out during our extended summers. The ones that are, are b1tching all the time about the heat.
Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of your surroundings.
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Ok, now,
"The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident"
Ok, this is in agreement with your post, "OTHER verifiable scientific data(let alone common-friggin'-sense) has shown wearin' a friggin' BRAIN BUCKET will lead to LESS brain injury in the event of a person(whether that person is a friggin' moronic smoker such as myself, or that person has lungs as pure as the driven snow) crashing their motorcycle, and thus their chances of survival in that event will INCREASE. "
KEY WORDS HERE "In the event....survival in that EVENT will increase"
Well, that's what I said "IF you are involved in an accident"
So you & I agree here. Great! and I have agreed with your wishes, "I would just for once like to hear from the people who CHOOSE to refrain from wearin' a helmet to ADMIT that their friggin' CHOICE is a less than wise choice"
Now, Chad says "I say maybe, maybe not." Well, I said " will/MAY " So we agree.
Now, you say "and WITHOUT havin' them getting' all friggin' DEFENSIVE about it...that's all...". Great! NOWHERE in my post did I get offensive, "Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer." & "Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease". Again, we TOTALLY agree.
Then I say "ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet"
This pretty much agrees with Mike, Ron, Ian, Brent's dad, Leonard, Rich, and Chad.
Then, "Everyone's opinion is just", Well, That seems to agree with 90% here, INCLUDING Dwight.
Then Ron said "If they won't call me stupid, I won't call them (ATGATT) pussies would be a good deal I think." Again, I totally agree!
Then you said "I'm pretty darn sure you know my "IQ" is probably at least in the 50-percentile or higher Demographic, RIGHT?!".
Well, hmmm, yea, again I agree.
What also makes me feel good is that even when my opinion was blasted, by Bill, and I responded to him, WE EACH KEPT IT TO JUST
ONE FRIGGIN' response!!! THEN WE STOPPED!!!
NOT ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ON & ...............
And last, but not least, EVERYTHING WAS VERY POLITE! "IMHO.", "Just MY reasons ", "Everyone's opinion is just", "whatever makes you feel safer", "Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease".
Ain't it GREAT when we "all just get along"!
PEACE!
Ok, so not EVERYONE agrees. Where would the fun be there?
Woe hoe...!!!! Now there's some complicated sh!t!! My po IQ just couldn't decipher all o' that!  (musta bumped my head too many times from fallin' off my bicycle without a helmet in my yute)
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Woe hoe...!!!! Now there's some complicated sh!t!! My po IQ just couldn't decipher all o' that! (musta bumped my head too many times from fallin' off my bicycle without a helmet in my yute)
Or MAYBE just that time of night!?
Did you catch my post about not needing the coil, at this particular point in time?
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No?, well, it wasn't offensive.
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And, it WAS honest.
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Did you catch my post about not needing the coil, at this particular point in time?
Yeah I caught that... did you catch my reply?
Btw... when you have 3 or 4 thought in a row, combine them into one post, we don't have that much space on the server!
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What also makes me feel good is that even when my opinion was blasted, by Bill, and I responded to him, WE EACH KEPT IT TO JUST
ONE FRIGGIN' response!!! THEN WE STOPPED!!!
Blasted? I didn't think so.
But I still think that you're a freak if you have 360° vision.
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Seems like the ones who really care about helmet use are the talking heads, er news reporters. What works for the individual is what life is all about (within the confines of the golden rule). Nothing beats a craven-a and a hot cup of cafe con leche. Nothing. But the trade off is dire when ya roll on pedal power. Always we weigh our choices and partake of those that afford the highest level of satisfaction, at the cost of waylaying those pleasures that impinge on the enjoyment of our current passion.
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Blasted? I didn't think so.
But I still think that you're a freak if you have 360° vision.
YES! I DO have eyes in the back of my head! One MORE reason I don't wear one.
(and you say "freak" like it's a BAD thing)?
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(and you say "freak" like it's a BAD thing)?
Not "bad", just ...um,....odd 
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(and you say "freak" like it's a BAD thing)?
Not "bad", just ...um,....odd
Don't freak out about the freak thing... it's normal for a lot if us!
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I miss reading the Fabulous Freak Brothers.
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I miss reading the Fabulous Freak Brothers.
Me too!
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The Fabulous FURRY Freak Brothers
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oops.
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That's funny! 
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They should do a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers Movie!!!!
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They should do a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers Movie!!!!
They're working on it!
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the metamorphasis of this threat is funny.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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the metamorphasis of this threat is funny.
The FFFB movie is a threat?
Darn, it mighta been kinda cool.
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the metamorphasis of this threat is funny.
I KNEW there was SOMETHING about those triple F brothers! They're using 'em to control our minds... and that ain't funny!
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer...Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of your surroundings.
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are we back on helmets again? I thought we were over that and were on to funny stuff. lets not labor the point we all agree to dis agree. Some folks like helmets some don't. That is a funny video though. I wonder how ole boy would have fared if the helmet was not setting on a table but his neck sustained all the force.
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The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in a sledgehammer to the head accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved in the sledgehammer to the head accident, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (Bill,no comments needed ), (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer...Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of sledgehammers near your surroundings.
From the archived photopost gallery Smashing pumpkins.
Now IF that would have been a real, living head, he MAY have SENSED the sledgehammer behind him , and taken evasive action. The dude with the helmet, well, he probably NEVER sensed it coming . That's why he didn't take evasive action.
Now, it IS getting funnier!
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plus he had a huge table to prevent any evasive manuver, and to support the brain buck upon impact. If his neck had to take that impacted. well if he lived it would be wheel chair city.
So in conclusion a helmet will protect yur melon but leaves your neck quite vulnerable. So the next thing is neck support, then a chest guard, then a back support. until you look like Sir. Lancelot rinding into battle.
To each his own I really dont care. wear a whole suit of armour or ride naked its your thing do what you want to do. Now for something completely different. Albatros?
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Why would the guy wearing the helmet not take evasive action. Oh, right the nonsense about how sharp your senses are without a helmet!!
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Perfect!
You know, I'm not so sure this WAS photoshoped.
(looks like something they WOULD do)
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no because his head was held by a table
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The gear will/MAY protect you IF you are involved in an accident, but the goal is to NOT be involved, and ones awareness is undoubtedly improved when your 360 vision (and hearing) is not impeded by a massive head cover, IMHO.
I FEEL much more in tune with my surroundings then my heads not covered. Just MY reasons for not wearing a helmet. Everyone's opinion is just, whatever makes you feel safer...Again, whatever makes YOU the most at ease, and gives you the most awareness of your surroundings.
From the archived photopost gallery Smashing pumpkins.
Why does the guy in white keep talking about guacamole?
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he wants to eat mexican food. That would sound good except there is so much of it around here you get tired of it
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Never get tired of Mexican food Or tequila
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well come visit Houston some time, more mexican food than mexico.
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Apologies to everyone who thought this thread had died, but I found this If this can't persuade all you freedom loving non-helmet wearers to change, then nothing can WARNING: Horrific and graphic displays of bad acting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4pR1EI-XE&feature=player_embedded
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I think I would prefer the blonde on the boat. She had the right gear for me. I would give all three a ride if they wanted.
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Apologies to everyone who thought this thread had died, but I found this
If this can't persuade all you freedom loving non-helmet wearers to change, then nothing can
WARNING: Horrific and graphic displays of bad acting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4pR1EI-XE&feature=player_embedded
Ah, it was worth resurrecting this thread for the sake of that video, Bryn... talk about your cuties!!! Vrooooom!!!
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Apologies to everyone who thought this thread had died, but I found this
If this can't persuade all you freedom loving non-helmet wearers to change, then nothing can
WARNING: Horrific and graphic displays of bad acting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q4pR1EI-XE&feature=player_embedded
Ah, it was worth resurrecting this thread for the sake of that video, Bryn... talk about your cuties!!! Vrooooom!!!
Not so sure I agree, but apologies accepted.
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THERE is NOthing worth resurecting this thead.
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THERE is NOthing worth resurecting this thead.
Well, I agree it's certainly a waste of time to try and talk sense into "some" people, anyway!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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RIGHT your on now. DON'T REPRESS me. Help, help I am being repressed.
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I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
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wow hay if you want to wear a helmet do so if not then don't do soo. I don't care either way 
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