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H*ll! I've been tryin' to explain to folks this very same thing AND for the very same reasons for YEARS now!
(...but do they LISTEN???!!!)
HOWEVER, in the defense of those non-riding folks who can't seem to fathom how this practice can possibly be safe at all, those non-riding folks often DO SEE some moronic SQUIDS pass between them and the car next to them at WAY too fast a speed while said squid is lane-splitting.
And so, JUST LIKE the morons who ride their motorcycles around with WAY too loud of exhausts, BOTH of these type of clowns DO US ALL a DISSERVICE in regards to how motocycles AND motorcyclists are perceived by the non-riding general public, and thus often eventually the powers-that-be pass ill-informed legislation which restricts ALL motorcyclists(and that includes YOU and ME who may possess modicum common sense when it comes the these issues) from these practices(lane-splitting AND exhaust-modification) "thanks to" the above mentioned squids and attention seeking morons!!!
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The lanes in that photo look much wider than most I've seen. Drivers here can barely stay within their own lane, let alone leave enough rooom for four feet of motorcycle.
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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California, but in the other 49 states it is generally regarded as illegal.
I myself feel that lane splitting (when done correctly) is much safer, when in heavy traffic. When I lived in California I owned a Honda Goldwing (1979 GL1000), and split the lane whenever possible.
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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California, but in the other 49 states it is generally regarded as illegal.
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Yeah, it's kind of ironic, ain't it Tom?! One of few places in this country which DOES ALLOW this practice is here in what some of those in the rest of the country refer to as "The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia" where everything ELSE seems to be OVER-regulated!!!
(yep...it's soooo friggin' ironic that it's almost O.Henry-esque!!!)
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You got us Dwight. Californica is sooooooo enlightened...
  
Well, I suppose at least one small PART of it located in the South Bay section of Los Angeles County is anyway, John!  
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It is legal (with some restrictions) in California,
Lane spitting is discouraged whilst wearing a full-face helmet.
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I won't lane spit unless the traffic is stopped.
Too easy to get squeezed out, there's no place to go.
It is illegal in Florida, so I take my time checking
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It may be legal but as a Drill Sergent once said to us ..."there is a fine line between Red-A-- & Dumb- A-- , don't cross it !"
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Well Daniel, I'm not exactly sure what your old D.I. meant there, but I'm guessing if with the "fine line" thing he meant that "moderation in all things" is a pretty smart practice to follow in life, such as when one is lane-splitting that they go about it at a moderate rate of speed(UNLIKE those "Squids" who I mentioned above), then I'd say that tough old bird might've been onto somethin' there, ALRIGHT!!!! 
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Even IF it's legal, it's the IMPRESSION it has on others.  Cagers MAY get really irritated, and make a bad judgement manuver out of a heat of the moment attitude. Good luck!
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GEEEE! And one would think that with the pleasant weather they have in Florida, that most folks would be a little more "laid-back" about this whole lane-splinttin' thing, wouldn't one?! Yep! JUST LIKE a certain OTHER STATE out west that enjoys pleasant weather most days and which ALSO allows lane-splitting! (in other words erle, I can't remember the last time a Californian cagers purposely did something like that to me...IN FACT, whenever I'm splitting lanes on the freeways, most of the cagers HERE more over for me and give me a little extra room to get by!!!) (AND BTW...I do not, can not, and WILL NOT EVER understand the mentality of those idiot cagers who might feel the way you described here, and so, what I'D like to do to all those that MAY feel that way is to grab 'em by the friggin' collar and "inform" them that: "While I am helping decrease the congestion of the highway that they're presently stuck on, I'm ALSO taking my friggin' LIFE in my hands by simply being ON this motorcycle and ON the same friggin' road as all of you cagers here right now, and SOOOOOOO, if you're a little envious of my lane-splitting here and that I'll get to my destination WAY before YOU WILL, then BUY A FRIGGIN' MOTORCYCLE TOO, you friggin' moron!!!")  (ah...I feel SO MUCH better now!)
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from year one motorcycles and motorcyclists have had a bad rep.personaly i dont give a ****** if you think im a moron for havin loud pipes its the first thing i do when i get any bike so the fekin cage drivers can here me comin.since ive been loud there hasnt been one incident where ive had someone pull out on me.as for lane splitting as you boyos call it the only drivers ive had to deal with hav heard me comin an tried to stop me makin progress. ******. yeah ime attention seeking the more they see me the more ile be ok. the powers that be are always gonna be on our case cos they havnt got the nuts to do what we do always tryin to wrap people in cotton wool. well fek em
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Well Will, before this thread gets into a debate about REALLY LOUD exhausts and their viability as a "safety measure", I just want to say here that "from year one motorcycles and motorcyclists" HAVEN'T always "had a bad rep". NOPE! You see. there WAS a time long long ago BEFORE the likes of folks such as Sonny Barger(he of Hells Angels "fame") came roaring down the pike on their motorcycles to "help give" that "bad rep" of which you speak a "little boost" in the minds of many of the non-riding general public, motorcycles were viewed as a means of general purpose transportation. YEP! That TRUE! Look it up if you don't believe me. And ahhhhh BTW...Ya wanna know what I think REALLY SAVED my A$$ and has kept ME ALIVE all these 40+ years of riding these babies around in this friggin' horrendous traffic of LOS ANGELES? Well, it's the little stuff you see, like remembering to stay out of cagers BLIND SPOTS, and slowing down a bit and having those two fingers on my right hand "a'ready" to squeeze the front brake lever, if I'm coming up to an intersection and if I have the SLIGHTEST INKLING that the cagers headed the opposite way might pull some boneheaded stunt and make a left turn right in front of me!!! YEAH!!! THAT'S some of the things I FEEL that keep my butt from being SIX FEET UNDER to this very day! AND it had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with ever having any motorcycles of MINE produce enough friggin' NOISE to WAKE THE FRIGGIN' DEAD, and ANNOY those cagers out there who may be inclined to think of the afforementioned Sonny friggin' BARGER whenever they see or especially HEAR a motorcycle going down the friggin' STREET!!!
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I can't remember the last time a Californian cagers purposely did something like that to me...IN FACT, whenever I'm splitting lanes on the freeways, most of the cagers HERE more over for me and give me a little extra room to get by!!!)
If thats true, then my state & your state couldn't be more different! (as in night & day, east coast/west coast, seat up/seat down, etc.) 
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Well erle, you DO have a HECK of a LOT of Ex-NEW YORKERS down your way, DON'T CHA???!!! (yep...I'm thinkin' THAT ALONE could explain the difference in the "courtesy factor" here, DUUUUUUDE!!!) 
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hey dwight hope your not tryin to be an "attention seeking moron" with the fancy car ya got there  
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Yep! Good point there, Bill. The last time I checked, "bare-bones" isn't synonymous with "fancy", alright! That reminds me of the first time I took Judie for a ride in it. After we hit a fog bank along the coast I asked her if she'd like me to turn on the heater. She replied, "This thing has a HEATER?" To which I replied, "NOPE. This baby is bare-bones to the core! I was just funnin' with ya there." (she found little humor in that, BTW)
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around here overtaking on the inside is illegal well thats what the piggies say and i get pulled quite regularly because of this last time i was being told of about it i said to them "i'm not overtaking i'm filtering or splitting lanes which is legal as long as the other vehicles are not doing more than 30 kph" the cop looked confused and said just don't do it again i ride every day as i'm a bike messenger and filter through traffic and i tell them the same thing when i'm stopped as the law here is not clear and we then have to go to british or euro law we seem to get away with it in gibraltar the porkies don't really know so we carry on with it and get away with it 
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Even in California it is illegal to pass on the outside of the left or right lanes. You have to be splitting two lanes of traffic for it to be legal. When I lived in CA it was OK to split if the traffic was going 35MPH or slower, but you can only split the lane 15MPH faster than the slowing traffic. So, if all the cars are going 15MPH then I can legally split between them at 30MPH. Generally I only went about 5 -10MPH faster than the surrounding traffic.
If you have ever ridden in CA stop, and go highway traffic then you will understand why lane splitting truly benefits all.
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Amen, I found a big dually pulling an 4 wheel trailer trying to "split" the lane I was in today on a very twisty, congested road (RR2222). These people truly need basic driving skills. Every morning you see where some fool could not keep it between the lines the previous night and the skid marks end at a tree or some other immovable object. 
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Gotta back Erle on this one. Best I've ever done in FL is about 8 cars before some @$$HOLE tries to squeeze me out. I don't even bother anymore. Doesn't matter what kind of bike you're on. Make eye contact in the side mirror and it's over! Fortunately, I've never had a door opened, though I know people who have.
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Bike riders want the same respect all licensed vehicles command on the road, yet many feel they are above the law or even common sense. Personally, I think lane splitting should be illegal. It is in FL and I don't know about the rest of the U.S.
It's hard enough for cagers to see bikes where they are supposed to be much less where they shouldn't be. Inciting more road rage doesn't help either.
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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You got us Dwight. Californica is sooooooo enlightened...
And soooooooo....YEAH, John!!! "Maybe" at least in THIS ONE friggin' REGARD, we "Californicas" ARE sooooooooo friggin' "enlightened"!!!!
(though I'm thinkin' there probably is a few OTHER issues WE YAHOOS HERE "might be" a little more "enlightened" about than are the REST of YOU YAHOOS OUT THERE, TOO!!!)
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Sorry, I just don't like "space invaders"! If a car were riding across the inside lane it is considered reckless driving. The lanes are there to provide adequate space for all vehicles to ride in. Last May I was driving a truck on the interstate when two sport bikes flew through with minimal space. Right before I had been hit with a gust of wind that pushed me to the line. If it had happened when they were going through, at least one of them would have been down. It freaked out me and the driver of the car passing me.
Common sense to me, stay in your lane. If you want to ride two bikes staggered, that's fine, but don't be riding on the lines between lanes. It reckless driving.
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Well Bob, I'm about to give you what I believe is an pretty decent analogy regarding your experience with those two SQUIDS on sportbikes who flew past you that day, with a certain californian NUMBSKULL who's become known in this world as "Octo-Mom" AND her clueless doctor, and THEN I'm going to ask you a question here...
Seeing as how "Octo-Mom" and her MD used the practice of invetro-fertilivation to create 14 new mouths to feed that she'll of course NEVER be able to afford food for let alone every OTHER cost of raising 14 kids would entail, would you ALSO then BAN the practice of THAT "procedure" that many childless couples use to have their own rugrat that they've always wanted, just because THOSE TWO MORONS in california evidently don't know what "REASONABLE and PRUDENT" means? HUH????
Look, EVEN HERE in "Kalifornia" those two friggin' SQUIDS that ruffled your feathers that time would have received a MOVING VIOLATION for THOSE friggin' antics if there would have been a cop around.
ONCE AGAIN...EVERYBODY...Lane splitting done in a REASONABLE and PRUDENT MANNER CAN BE and OFTEN IS SAFER in congested conditions for the motorcyclist than adhering to strict "lane discipline"....and that's NOT ONLY "Common sense" as you call it, BUT that's FIRST-HAND OBSERVATION after MANY MANY MANY MANY YEARS of riding in those congested conditions around HERE!!!
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Dwight, driving is a licensed privilege on a public road. When you get a license, you agree to abide by the rules of the road, be courteous to others on the road, etc.
Not too sure about your Octo-Mom analogy. I'm not gonna argue whether we should, but we don't have laws against stupidity or require a license to bore children. It would be interesting if you had to be a certain age, pass a test, and show means of support, but not happening in my lifetime.
Stepping up education for both drivers and mothers would be moving in the right direction. Still, somehow, you have to get back to using common sense.
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Well, the ONLY way I'd try it, anywhere, would be if the cars had pick-up guides in slots in the roads like electric slot cars!  (and here I thought I was reckless & crazy!  ) With all the distractions (and distracted drivers)on the roads here, not to mention half are tourists, and half of those are foreigners, I have a hard enough time not getting run off the road or in a collision while driving my big ol' truck! BUT I TOTALLY RESPECT THOSE WITH BIGGER BALLS THEN I ! 
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Well guys, I suppose all this then boils down to the different "driving cultures" between CA and FL. I suppose if you've grown up in an area where lane splitting is acceptable and where almost all the cagers around you DO NOT think of this practice as "being rude" or "not using common sense", as opposed to where evidently HALF the population are "Blue Hairs" from New York, who might have a heart attack if a motorcyclist slowly went between them and the "Blue hair"'s car SIX FEET AWAY in the next lane while sitting dead stopped in traffic, such as I'm getting the impression it's like in Florida...THEN I suppose "The Sunshine State" will never come to the realization that, AT LEAST in THIS regard, "The Golden State" has it ALL OVER you poor devils down there!!!  (...OR maybe we can chalk this particular "culture difference" all up to perhaps MEXICAN-Americans just being more "laid back" than CUBAN-Americans are, HUH?!...err I mean, SI?!)
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Dwight,
I live in FL and wish I could split the lane like I use to in CA. The big difference is that in CA most of the drives are use to this happening. If it became legal in FL it would take a while (years) for all the drivers to understand 1-that it is legal, and 2-that it actually benefits all (safer for the motorcyclist when done correctly).
I don't know if lane splitting (or as they call it filtering) is legal in all of Europe, but most of the countries over there tolerate it, and most of their roads are generally narrower in width than the average road in the US.
When I lived in CA I considered lane splitting as a safety outlet. In bumper to bumper highway traffic I always moved to the white dash line (even if I didn't pass traffic). On at least one occasion the car behind me failed to stop and hit the car in front of me. If I had stayed in my lane I would have become a metal sandwich.
In multiply lane city traffic I would always split the lane at red lights. As soon as the light turned green I was gone. Riding this way on city streets I was able to travel over 80% of the time with no moving cars around me. Which to me made riding much safer.
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(though I'm thinkin' there probably is a few OTHER issues WE YAHOOS HERE "might be" a little more "enlightened" about than are the REST of YOU YAHOOS OUT THERE, TOO!!!)
Prop 215 comes to mind. 
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Tom, You hit so many nails right on the ol' head in your post there, that I'm guessin' you were a member of the carpenter's union before you became a "Field Service Supervisor"!!! Am I RIGHT?! ESPECIALLY(and for those folks here who STILL think this practice is somehow "dangerous", I want you to REALLY LISTEN UP now...) about that part where you mentioned pulling up between cars stopped at a red light and when it turns grean, PULLING AWAY FROM ALL THOSE CARS SO THEY'RE NOT ALL AROUND YOU AS YOU RIDE DOWN THE ROAD, because they end up being far far BEHIND YOU, and LESS of a potential THREAT!!! All I can say here is....Well said, Sir! WELL SAID!!! 
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Well guys, I suppose all this then boils down to the different "driving cultures" between CA and FL.
I suppose if you've grown up in an area where lane splitting is acceptable and where almost all the cagers around you DO NOT think of this practice as "being rude" or "not using common sense", as opposed to where evidently HALF the population are "Blue Hairs" from New York, who might have a heart attack if a motorcyclist slowly went between them and the "Blue hair"'s car SIX FEET AWAY in the next lane while sitting dead stopped in traffic, such as I'm getting the impression it's like in Florida...THEN I suppose "The Sunshine State" will never come to the realization that, AT LEAST in THIS regard, "The Golden State" has it ALL OVER you poor devils down there!!!
(...OR maybe we can chalk this particular "culture difference" all up to perhaps MEXICAN-Americans just being more "laid back" than CUBAN-Americans are, HUH?!...err I mean, SI?!)
AHHHH..., at last, a meeting of THE MINDS!!!
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There's little, if any, migrated New Yorkers in northern Florida (panhandle) where I live. I would still bet there's only one blue haired New Yorker in all FL for every 4 air heads in CA.
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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There's little, if any, migrated New Yorkers in northern Florida (panhandle) where I live. I would still bet there's only one blue haired New Yorker in all FL for every 4 air heads in CA.
Heck, panhandle has always been considered Eastern Alabama by REAL Floridians anyway! Central & South Florida is like no other place on earth!
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Actually, the correct term is LA, ie: Lower Alabama. Alabama's eastern border with Georgia is at the river that separates the panhandle from the rest of FL. Like Alabama we are on Central time, not Eastern like the rest of Florida. The joke as I grew up was - from here the further south you go, the further north you get.
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don't know what "REASONABLE and PRUDENT" means?
Hmmmmm, I don't know much aboot lane-splitting, but you've inadvertently or advertently stumbled upon the definition of our local speed laws,.......
........Well up until the federal governemnt decided it knew better what's best for Montana, than Montana knew what's best for Montana. 
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Here in east NM, lane splitting is not done because there just isn't that much traffic. When I lived in CA, the CHP had specific guide lines for lane splitting, but only on freeways and other limited access multi-lane highways. You are allowed to split traffic if traffic speed is below 30 MPH and you can't go more than 15 MPH faster than traffic speed. If a cop is in a bad mood, you may be required to signal for each "lane change" before crossing the lane line.
This is allowed simply because it causes much less traffic disruption than half the bikes in the county stalled in the middle lane with an overheated engine.
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if a leaf falls in the forest and no leo is there to see it did it drop?
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It is standard practice in the UK, but you have to have your wits about you most of the time as the cars try and cut the path in front of you.
This happen to Mal and I on our way up to Yorkshire one year for a rally, 9 times out of 10 the cars infront will pull over to the left if the traffic is moving slow. But you still get the moron who thinks its funny to keep you up his exhaust pipe..
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I can see how white lining can be safer for your bikes engine if you live in a traffic laden state, or extremely hot place. I still, after reading this thread, fail to see how it is safer for the biker, and the cager. It is a blatantly aggresive, risky behavior. You make a decision every time you get on your bike, about how safe a rider you want to be. Riding inches away from cars on both sides of you just doesn't really make much sense to me. I'm in jersey, been in plenty of stop and go traffic, and never overheated. (not saying it doesn't happen, conditions just have to be perfect) I see to many i-pod toting, cell phone tapping, teenage space cadets to ever do it. Plus it just pisses me off. Wait in turn like everyone else! 
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Once again Ryan, I'm starting to believe the idea that it's "blantantly aggresive, risky behavior" almost entirely depends on the "local culture" of both the cagers AND the riders. Once again, here in what I can only now assume is still "Laid Back" L.A., there usually are 5 cagers who will actually move over "a schooch" within their lane to allow and actually somewhat assist you to pass between them and the car next to them(something I do BTW whenever I'm in my cage), to every 1 cager who won't! And MAYBE that might be because there are more motorcycles registered in CA than any other state in The Union, and so cagers probably see more motorcycles here, AND all year long(due of course to our great weather all year long ) than they do anywhere else, and so they're used to seeing motorcycles everywhere AND every day!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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if a leaf falls in the forest and no leo is there to see it did it drop?
Well, if the LEO saw the leaf but can't catch it, did it really drop?
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Oh! And I almost forgot Ryan, to answer how this practice is actually safer than adhering to "lane discipline", once again, IF you can(or are alowed to) lane-split through traffic stopped at red lights, then once you get the green light(and of course after watching for last second cross-traffic cagers trying to beat their red light), you are half a block away and in front of ALL those cagers you would have been "dicin' with" in CLOSE PROXIMITY, IF you AREN'T allowed to lane-split!!! And THAT'S just ONE advantage to this practice! (and so....NOW do you see what I'm talkin' about here???...what is it?...are ya afraid all those Joisey-ites back there that you're "dicin' with" NOW will purposely try to run your butt over if those morons in Trenton ever WISE UP and allow this practice in Joisey???...Yep!...that MUST be it alright!...I can see it all now...there lies poor Ryan in the middle of the road, and Guido tells Vince, "Leave the car! Take the cannoles!!!"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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And there's always reducing the chances of getting rear-ended at a stop light too.
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YEAH! That TOO, Guido!...err, I mean Bill!!! (though I'm gettin' the impression that most those folks back there ain't ever gonna grasp this simple little concept here...ya know what I'm talkin' 'bout here, Guid, err...BILL?!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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WOW! I'm am siding with Dwight on this one. I'm a little freaked out right now. Give me a moment.
I too had the opportunity to enjoy the lane splitting privelage when I lived in Kalifornia. Never "FLEW" by anybody, just kind of cruise past them. Stoplights, that is the shiznizzle. I get away from all the whackos until the next light.
Comes down to a couple things in my opinion. Education, attitude and belief in entitlement. If folks are educated and adhere to safe practices it is very safe. The attitude comes from a lack of education and ties in to the belief in entitlement. Just because you and I might sit in the same traffic does not by any means entitle you to block my passage or endanger my life. In all reality if I am lane splitting, I am helping your under-educated, ticked off, self righteous bada$$ that deserves every advantage in the world get to where you are going by helping to relieve another footprint in the traffic pattern.
I grew up in Chicago. I have ridden through some pretty narrow places to park my bike in safe secure places, illegally filtered traffic here when I felt it was warranted, driven my bike down gangways between houses to park in the back yard, etc. ad nauseum. You know what, as long as I was paying proper attention, I never hit anything or was hit by anything on my bike.
Are there times I did hit or nick something. Of course I did. I'm Airguy, I am sometimes prone to doing the stupid things. End of the world; not by any means. But I am pretty typically very conscientious about things when I am out riding in heavy traffic so maneuvering my bike between 2 freaking cars is pretty dang easy. You hopefully have gained a 6th sense to help you identify the idiots on the road and watch out for them. They can still get ya', but that is the risk we take riding these crazy machines.
LANE SPLITTING FOR ALL!!!!
And that is all I have to say about that. (...for now)
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I'm not siding with anyone on this. It all depends on where you live and the traffic situations you encounter. Around here, on certain roads, just trying to ride IN a lane is more hazardous than even thinking about "splitting" one. We have a highway here known as the "Parkway" that makes a Nascar race look like a kiddieland ride in an amusement park. Cagers will look at you in stopped traffic, decide you don't count, then try to occupy your space in your lane as soon as there's 6 feet of movement ahead. The posted speed is 55, if you ain't doing 70 you're flirting with disaster. And you better have your slalom skills honed to perfection. I have done some involuntary "lane splitting" on that road. It's a matter of self - preservation. If you can do it legally and other traffic is aware of it - more power to you. But it doesn't work everywhere....
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Honestly, I don't even see the point of debate here. If you want to split lanes, do it. If you're gonna whine about how dangerous it is, don't do it.
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Deon,
Obviously that would not be the time or place to be lane splitting. Unless of course it is to save your behind. I think Mark has hit the nail on the head though I believe the debate is more about the legality and safety of it more so than should you or should you not. There are safe times and places to split lanes and then there are unsafe times to split lanes. If you have the skill and ability, it is a safe practice. If you don't, then don't do it. If you are doing 70 to keep up with traffic, what need would there be for lane splitting anyhow. If I am sitting on the Dan Ryan Expressway in stop and go traffic heading in to downtown Chicago, might be just the right time to move myself along a little bit. Unfortunately the authorities in this highly enlightened state don't see it that way. So yes I can do it though I may be forced to pay a little fee for the privilege to our state for doing so, courtesy of the bored guy in the blue uniform and those flashy lights.
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I agree.
I just felt like whining.....
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Honestly, I don't even see the point of debate here. If you want to split lanes, do it. If you're gonna whine about how dangerous it is, don't do it.
Mark(and I suppose Moe too here, seein' as how with his earlier "tree/sound/in forest" LEO metaphor which got you goin' here)...the ISSUE here IS...WHY should ANYONE chance gettin' a friggin' "reckless driving" violation(or whatever a cop who WILL SEE your "tree" splitting lanes" in whatever location you may be riding where it is illegal to split lanes will wish to charge you with....WHEN, in ACTUALITY it is NOT "RECKLESS" to lane split! Once AGAIN folks, it can ACTUALLY be SAFER to DO SO!!!
THAT is the issue here and WHY there's a "debate" goin' on here, Mark. I mean, don't we ALL here at least TRY to be "law-abiding citizens" as MUCH as we can??? Or, at least SHOULD BE, I would hope! I mean, I THINK we are "debating" the MISCONCEPTIONS that so much of the REST of this country's states' lawmakers and the people who live in all those states SEEM to have about this practice of lane splitting, because THEY don't have any EXPERIENCE in doing it on a regular basis, BECAUSE, for some stupid reasons such as, "It'll p*ss off Guido in Joisey, Farmer Fanny in Iowa OR Clem in Alabama who're drivin' in their cages, AND I'll get a friggin' ticket IF I do it in my state, to boot!"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I just felt like whining.....
Funny guy there, Don. I was actually referring to that guy from Jersey a few posts up.
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WHY should ANYONE chance gettin' a friggin' "reckless driving" violation...it can ACTUALLY be SAFER to DO SO!!!
Dwight...I totally agree with ya there. But the fact that it is illegal in MA (and NYC where I'm moving back in a month or so) doesn't slow me down at all. If I'm riding thru Boston or Providence or wherever there's traffic, I don't hesitate to jump on the dotted line.
I was rear-ended going about 30-35 on my Thruxton on 1st ave in Manhattan a few years back...I kept the bike on 2 wheels somehow, but had I been a-bobbin' and weavin' I wouldn't have been hit.
Heck...I can't tell you how many times in NYC when I've split right past cops. Most don't like it...one even called me a "Jerk Off" over the PA on his cruiser! But there's nothing they can do. I don't care if you're RoboCop, there's no way you have a chance of catching me if I'm splitting thru traffic.
My bottom line is that all other drivers on the road are ******-holes and I have no patience for ******-holes. If you're slowing me down, I'm going around you regardless if you're in a car, on a bike, a cop, or whoever.
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Don't we ALL here at least TRY to be "law-abiding citizens" as MUCH as we can???
Nah! Mostly we just try to keep from gettin' caught!
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Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Haha, I'm not worried about jersey tuff guys. Now, loosing my cannolis is a different story...........and Litz, I didn't really think I was whining. I was just asking for some clarifacation as to how "splitting" could be safer. So far we got, no traffic after a red light, and No rear end collision at a red light. There's no traffic in front of you until you catch up with the next set of cagers. As far as the rear end goes, your chancing one type of accident for another. It doesnt really matter to me if people split lanes. I dont do it, because I know I've thought twice about jamming someone, who I felt was a little to close to my automobile. Wouldn't want someone to return the favor.
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You got it bud. I know what's safer for me and will continue to act on my opinion until Johnny Law TRIES to convince me otherwise. After the lecture...well...I'll let you know when I get there, but if I were a bettin' man, I'd place a wager on me riding that line again.
It's purely a fact of life in any major metropolitan area.
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I know I've thought twice about jamming someone, who I felt was a little to close to my automobile. Wouldn't want someone to return the favor.
Ah. We have an opportunity to get into the head of someone who gets P.O.ed by someone passing him down the center.
Tell us why Ryan, that you get upset because someone passes you when you have to wait in traffic when in fact the act of passing does not make your wait one nanosecond longer.
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Your one hundred percent right Bill. I don't know why it bothers me. Its not that I think it makes my wait longer or shorter. Its just the thought of entitlement that other people have. It's like "I'm better than you, so you have to wait, and I don't"
Part of it is probably has to do with growing up in such a busy area. Even if you maintain your cool, there are a thousand other maniacs that won't. Riding has defintly made me a safer, more aware driver. I've never acted on any impulse, or desire to cause harm or damage to anyone or thing. Can't say the same about some people that ride with a pocket full of marbles. I don't think that many people would be being honest if they said they don't get annoyed at other peoples driving/riding habits. I guess i'd have to see a shrink if I really wanted to get to the bottom of it, but really, I don't think road rage is that complicated a thing to understand.
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Interesting. Yeah, I get annoyed at those other people's driving habits that affect me. Driving slow in the fast lane, running red lights, tailgating, turning left from the right lane and vice versa, etc., etc. But I just can't feel that someone is "getting over on me" by having a better way to do something. Filtering (I like that term better than "lane splitting") is more akin to knowing a shortcut than cutting someone off. And no, I'm not one o' those morons with the marbles either 
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Bill,
I agree whole heartedly. I am not one of those guys with the marbles, ball bearings etc. Though I have wanted to be. Understand Ryan's position, as I think most of us do, having become better driver's because we are riders. Quite a conundrum, but I think it is mostly a position arising from education, nurturing and legality. As Dwight put it, only the most "enlightened" and "big brother will save you" kind of state allowing it says a lot about that to me. I think Ryan hit a point on the entitlement concept I brought up earlier in that people tend to think it is not fair. That can put us motorcyclists into a precarious situation. In my opinion we are already in a tough situation inherently being on two wheels. Why increase that? But based on my experience, others that have been filtering for decades in the golden state and European countries, and a belief in my ability to handle a motorcycle I believe it is more a political than safety or legal issue. Big brother will take care of us all, don't none of you worry about that as long as it can bring him some cash!
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The big difference is that in CA most of the drives are use to this happening. If it became legal in FL it would take a while (years) for all the drivers to understand 1-that it is legal, and 2-that it actually benefits all (safer for the motorcyclist when done correctly).
I don't know if lane splitting (or as they call it filtering) is legal in all of Europe, but most of the countries over there tolerate it, and most of their roads are generally narrower in width than the average road in the US.
I completely agree with Tom's point here. I've seen it in England and when it is done with respect to traffic conditions and driver training it is a great benefit. But there's the rub. In England (my only example since I have some experience with it having family there and a past relationship) the driving tests and qualifications are MUCH more comprehensive than they are in the US so drivers there are more prepared (usually) to deal with motorcyclists splitting lanes. I'm not saying that GB doesn't have it's share of stupid drivers but I know that if I tried something like that with the f-tards I've found on SC roads since I moved down here I'd be dead by now from their sheer stupidity (some of the things I see on a daily basis are mindboggling). I grew up in the DC area (NoVA) and can adjust relatively easily to NYC or MASS/CT aggressive driving (no small feat, I can tell you). I would like to see states adopt driving programs that actually treat driving as a serious qualification or achievement rather than "juss summin' you git" when you turn 15 or 16 (as I get older I prefer it to be 18, yeah get off my lawn!). Only problem is that means more money spent somewhere to improve or even make a comprehensive test that challenges your knowledge of the 'rules of the road'.
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Its just the thought of entitlement that other people have. It's like "I'm better than you, so you have to wait, and I don't"
I see and respect your point Ryan, but tend to disagree. Most of my disagreement comes from my 3+ years from living in Brooklyn. Commuting to midtown Manhattan every day, I view utilizing 2 wheeled transportation as entitling me to certain privilges that the cars & cabs don't have.
Riding a motorcycle every day entitles me to be able to ride the 7 miles back to my home in 35 minutes, rather than the 90 minutes in a car or 60-75 minutes on a subway. It allows me to park on a sidewalk or squeeze between a car and a fire hydrant if no other adequate parking is available.
Big city living is a way of life that most suburban dwellers just don't understand, and riding a motorcycle and taking advantage of the entitlement (legal or illegal) is just another way of coping with it and making city life that much more bearable. Call me a squid, a bad rider, an ******-hole, but when I'm spending that extra hour every day with my friends or a loved one, it's not going to bother me one bit.
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Heck Mark,
For some of us suburbia is still 100 miles away. My sister used to live on 87th or 88th street in Manhatten (Not Manhatten MT). I found the "City" fascinating for a backward country boy
Ride safe brother, when are ya coming to visit anyway?? I'll even buy a beer or three.
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I never looked at it like that litz. I drive a mini and I do get a great sense of satisfaction when I squeeze my car in somewhere no one else would even look at and think about parking.
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...I've seen it in England and when it is done with respect to traffic conditions and driver training it is a great benefit. But there's the rub. In England (my only example since I have some experience with it having family there and a past relationship) the driving tests and qualifications are MUCH more comprehensive than they are in the US so drivers there are more prepared (usually) to deal with motorcyclists splitting lanes. I'm not saying that GB doesn't have it's share of stupid drivers but I know that if I tried something like that with the f-tards I've found on SC roads since I moved down here I'd be dead by now from their sheer stupidity (some of the things I see on a daily basis are mindboggling). I grew up in the DC area (NoVA) and can adjust relatively easily to NYC or MASS/CT aggressive driving (no small feat, I can tell you). I would like to see states adopt driving programs that actually treat driving as a serious qualification or achievement rather than "juss summin' you git" when you turn 15 or 16 (as I get older I prefer it to be 18, yeah get off my lawn!)...
Yep! And with THAT we come back to my "local culture theory" I mentioned in one of my earlier responses here.
And so, to put it in a little perspective, HERE'S a scenario for you folks that while I THINK is probably overstated by me "a bit", I ALSO think it CERTAINLY "captures the flavor' of this issue about "local culture" of which I speak here:
Let's say as you're driving or riding along at the posted speed limit on a multi-lane highway in the "Fast Lane", you happen to come up behind a jerk...err, I'm sorry, I MEAN a person who is driving let's say 10 to 15 MPH slower than that posted speed limit IN that so-called "Fast Lane", and so, using the accepted INTERNATIONAL method of asking that slower driver ahead of you to please move over to a slower lane and allow you to pass you flash your headlights to them.
In Europe, most likely that person in question here WOULD move over.
BUT, in the "Good Ol' U.S. of A" you'd MOSTLY LIKELY either have a that a$$wipe take A SHOT at ya, OR at the VERY LEAST said a$$wipe would somehow sense that you were SOMEHOW questioning his friggin' manhood and driving abilities, AND he'd think YOU were being "inconsiderate" and would "FLIP YOU OFF"!!!
(that's RIGHT...we DO NEED to make getting a friggin' drivers license HARDER TO GET over here, ALRIGHT...I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Lane Splitting is like SEX. Once you do it you what more of it, and when done correctly everyone involved has a happy ending.
If you ride a bike and never Split the lane, then you might have a hard time understanding all its benefits. For all the cagers that have never ridden a bike, then the concept in most cases is totally foreign.
Tom
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
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Lane Splitting is like SEX. Once you do it you what more of it, and when done correctly everyone involved has a happy ending.
And, as such, you'll probably end up seeing the doctor sooner or later, if you do it enough!
And you may see me tonight
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J. Prine
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Lane Splitting is like SEX. Once you do it you what more of it, and when done correctly everyone involved has a happy ending.
And, as such, you'll probably end up seeing the doctor sooner or later, if you do it enough!
Nah, I don't THINK so, erle. Well, anyway...at least I'VE never heard of ANYBODY having to get those "little blue pills" from their doctor because they couldn't lane split anymore without a little "help"!!! 
(...and so, what are you talkin' about here then, huh dude????)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Lane Splitting is like SEX. Once you do it you what more of it, and when done correctly everyone involved has a happy ending.
And, as such, you'll probably end up seeing the doctor sooner or later, if you do it enough!
Nah, I don't THINK so, erle. Well, anyway...at least I'VE never heard of ANYBODY having to get those "little blue pills" from their doctor because they couldn't lane split anymore without a little "help"!!!
(...and so, what are you talkin' about here then, huh dude????)
I was thinking more along the lines of someone having to see the doctor due to a bad split. 
And you may see me tonight
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J. Prine
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Don't know about most folks but riding vs caging cuts the time of transit -without splitting lanes- down by at least 10%. What would be a hole shot in a cage is not on a motorsickle. Split and that number grows to a good third. You big cities lads probably see closer to 50%. Seems the other 49 get all of the west coast bs regs and laws, why not their attitude about lane splitting?
Blowing gravel off rural roads
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Well Moe, I think we've already kind'a covered that and pretty much decided that lane splitting seems to p*ss off the locals pretty much everywhere but here in CA!!! Yep, evidently it p*sses off all the Goombahs in NJ, all the farmers in the Midwest, AND I'd guess probably all them there Blue Hairs and alligators down there where YOU live TOO!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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