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A RAT cross-post that I couldn't resist . . . I hope this guy is fine now.
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Scariest part is that turn doesn't look too bad, even for a Harley battleship. I bet a Rocket could take it easily at a pretty good speed.
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Ok, Someone stop me from rolling on the floor laughing from that website. They are merciless.   "FYI..... Darryl Cannon aka "killboy" said... Nah he rode off...it was a pretty gentle low-side. He had some rash on his side, just below his armpit."
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Looks like those guys over there have almost as much fun as us!
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How Fun!!!!
I am sure he's OK. I used to do that before I learned how.
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A lesson for us all there ... Middle photo shows stationary front wheel - don't apply front brakes into a corner like that  I bet the gravel rash (cut off t-shirt) was a sight to see 
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Road rash galore. I was at the hospital one time and this guy came in after a showing off on his rice rocket crash. Wheelie gone bad is my guess. He was saying to his mom or whoever that if he hadn't had a long sleeve T shirt on it would have been worse.... Yea right!! If he had LEATHER on he wouldn't even be in the hospital!!
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Hey benny
I shudder when I see guys riding in denim jackets, let alone shirts - long sleeve or short!!
My wife is a radiographer and once had to x-ray a kid who had fallen off a scooter while on holiday in the Med (the usual, shorts, t-shirt, sandels!) - he was like minced beef apparently!! 
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Heh, I've been down twice now -- once pretty substantially (60mph lowside on the DC Beltway) and I can tell you from experience: denim doesn't do a d*mn thing. It's invisible to pavement. Leather good, cotton bad.
The last time, all the parts fo me in leather were completely unscathed. My knees -- I was weaering jeans -- got all banged up, and I still have scars. I still ride with jeans, mind you... but if I hadn't been wearing a leather jacket, boots and gloves, I'd be a sausage creature for sure.
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A lesson for us all there ...
Middle photo shows stationary front wheel - don't apply front brakes into a corner like that
I bet the gravel rash (cut off t-shirt) was a sight to see
If you look close, he's got the clutch pulled in too. That fool was in full panic braking mode. Guess he never read the Hitchhikers Guide.
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I have Draggin jeans and velcro knee pads. I higly recommend them.
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And you guys wonder why Harley riders don't wave back! Well....there's why! Dwight (but ya gotta admit, even though his riding skills aren't the best, he's a friendly bloke) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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If you look close, he's got the clutch pulled in too
At the risk of contradicting you there GB, I don't think he has pulled the clutch in.
It looks like his hand is gripping the bars (like the begeezus!) and he has his index finger covering the lever ....
... could be wrong ...
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Draggin Jeans are the best. If you didn't know, you would think they are regular jeans. Bought a second pair last year and gonna ask for another pair for Christmas.
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That's another thing I ALWAYS wear is gloves... Like my riders course instructor said, your hands control the bike, protect them.
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Amen. I never ride without boots, gloves, jacket, and helmet. Of course, I live in South Florida, home to some of the worst drivers from everywhere in the US.
Yeah, it gets hot sometimes but I do what I must...
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Hey Phil
How much are Draggin' Jeans in the US?
Over here, they're around £85 ($150) for the blue jeans - haven't priced up other stuff (jackets, combats etc).
Don't answer - I just looked at my own link (!).
$89.95!!!!! That's around £50!!!!
I think I'll carry on using leathers 'til I next come over there!!!
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I just scrolled the top picture all the way left. There was someone right behind him. Isn't that the way of such things? You always makes the biggest arse of yourself when someone you know is watching who will never let you forget.
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I just scrolled the top picture all the way left. There was someone right behind him. Isn't that the way of such things? You always makes the biggest arse of yourself when someone you know is watching who will never let you forget.
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Hey GB Looking again at that second picture, do you think the forks look a wierd angle? They almost look too vertical and the gap between the rear of the front mudguard and the engine looks reduced. Looks normal again on the third pic .... 
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right its a hardly
so why didn't he have time to open his top box and take out his leather jacket to save the road rash on his arms?
hey at least when it all heals he can get new tattoo's
hmmm funny line to follow
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The other thing of course is that as he goes t!ts up and across the road, I wonder if anything was coming the other way round that blind bend Now that realy would spoil yer afternoon ....
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If you look close, he's got the clutch pulled in too.
Naw upon a closer look I can see the lever not being squeezed to death! But the front wheel is for sure not spinning! That corner really looked like a fun one though. 
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they posted a link there with other bikes ... like it was a whole photo weekend
http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm...=04RK00560H0524
there is a bonnie
Bet he didn't opt to buy any pics of his nightmare!
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Better photos Password 'Dragon' 
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The last time I rode the dragon was Oct 22, 2002. Too bad their website doesn't go back that far!
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Moe, I'm saddened and, quite frankly suprised!
By the time I got to screen 25, I was disgusted .....
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The last time I rode the dragon was Oct 22, 2002. Too bad their website doesn't go back that far!
Oh God .. tell me you weren't competing on stage there .....
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I made it thru 20 of those pages and only counted TWO attractive sets there.... Some people just shouldn't have a bucket of water dumped on em
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OMG--definate lowsides!
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By the time I got to screen 25, I was disgusted .....
You could have set your screen to display more columns and rows. And the lookers were at the end as well.
The Adairville gals were at the beginning! hehe
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When it said "mythical fire breathing beast" I tried mother in law but got no-where!
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Those women were there to 'wake the dragon'? They only gave me a 'sleeping turtle'.
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You could have set your screen to display more columns and rows. And the lookers were at the end as well.
The Adairville gals were at the beginning! hehe
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Looking again at that second picture, do you think the forks look a wierd angle?
They almost look too vertical and the gap between the rear of the front mudguard and the engine looks reduced.
Looks normal again on the third pic ....
Yup. Looks like the forks are compressed all the way. Another good reason not to brake hard in mid turn. Compressed forks make the non-folding bits of the bike closer to the ground, reducing your max lean angle.
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So what do you guys do if you find the need to slow down? Just rear brake? Gentle combo? I mean I know emergencies are one thing... but sometimes a not-so emergency can turn ugly fast...
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So what do you guys do if you find the need to slow down? Just rear brake?
I ease off the gas ...
Gives it a bit of engine breaking - don't know if that's right or wrong - just know it works for me.
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Quick downshift maybe... I'm usually good about downshifting before a turn, always used engine braking in cars before riding too. Amazes me how little some people know about how a motor works. I told my friend to downshift one time in the snow and she goes "how?" I said "See the 2 and the 1 below the D? What do you think those are?" Ok that was way off track for this thread but I had to vent
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Gas. Give it more gas to get out of trouble. It causes the bike to actually lift up giving you more clearance to countersteer even harder and this will get you out of deep doo doo.
Really! It may seem counter intuitive, but that has saved my butt many a time. letting off the throttle lowers the bike quickly, you want the oposite action to occur. Try it, it can actually save your life.
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Gas. Give it more gas...
Agreed.
I am going to go out on a limb here, but, of all the possible disruption you can make to your line in mid-stream, accelleration is probably the one least likely to put you on your arse. As Pat indicates, you can power-out of trouble - If you're prepared to do it. My opinion is that braking in mid turn is more likely to cause an upset. Braking mid turn with just the rear is like a death wish. If you have ever locked a rear - even going straight - and let off while still moving, you know what potential for disaster that can bring if the back tire is anything other than dead-on straight and parallel with the front. Imagine that 'death shimy' in mid turn.
The real deal is not to exceed your ability or the conditions - But we all know that's easier said than done and we all have gone in a little too hot at one time and I'm sure we'll all do it again. From personal experience, I have come to know the Speedie is exceptionally capable of full on, heavy duty braking leading into a turn (both brakes) and can tolerate staying on at least part way in (I believe many bikes, cruisers especially can get pretty squirrely). So, in short, Its best to not have to brake at all but if you do, I think its best to do your braking on entry if you must and try to get it under control before you reach mid point. Anytime you can use power instead of brake in a turn - without impact, of course - you won't upset stability, and may often enhance it. From mid-point on, your throttle is your only friend.
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Hey Benny
P!sses me off when following cars how many of 'em use the brake to shave off a little speed approaching corners instead of a little engine breaking or downshifting.
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braking in mid turn is more likely to cause an upset. Braking mid turn with just the rear is like a death wish
Couldn't agree more!
.. though I do also think it depends on the speed and road / weather conditions.
Tight bend with wet road + braking = goodnight Vienna!
Open bends can usually take some braking - it's the natural thing to do, after all.
Experienced riders will know to power out of the bend - as you say, it's not the natural thing to do.
I wonder if 'our guy' on the Hardley was an inexperienced rider ...
... perhaps he only normally rides those last few miles to a rally - from the RV park ....
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I wonder if he has one of those "biker in a bag" kits?
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Yeah I can see using power in those clear situations, but I'm thinking more like, you go into a turn you know you can handle, and there's a Buick in the way all of a sudden... Brakes are about all ya got then, right?
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After perusing just a few of these.....it's no wonder why dragons are extinct.
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Yeah I can see using power in those clear situations, but I'm thinking more like, you go into a turn you know you can handle, and there's a Buick in the way all of a sudden... Brakes are about all ya got then, right?
If you must break like that while in a turn, I believe the proper technique is to counter steer in the opposite direction of the turn. This will bring the bike straight up, and then you can safely brake. Otherwise brake prior to the turn or after the turn only. Typically you can power through a turn by increasing your counter steering and rolling on the throttle for more speed. More counter steer = tighter turn, more speed = increased stability. Let the flaming begin!
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No flame, but the Buick throws all the "technique" out the window... your ****** will be grass, as they say... I have escaped a few close calls. I have also ended up in people's yards, in the woods, on the berm.... every situation is different. Just today, I turned onto a downhill road where a truck was backing out of a driveway, covering both lanes. I went right, into the driveway and came to a stop at the front of their garage.... It was "Ho Ho... you almost bought it, Man...." Ride like you're invisible except for the bullseye....
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Dinq/everyone - Don't you agree that extensive experience with a manual transmission in a cage is great practice for proper technique on a motorcycle. I was lucky enough to go to stock car driving school last Summer in Canada. Try engine braking at 150mph with a high performance clutch! That is some serious braking! I will always engine brake when possible before actual braking. High RPM's are our friends! Of course, it doesn't matter in Florida, we just put on the cruise control and take a nap until arriving at our destination. 
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Ryan, I think EVERYONE should learn stick. Then again, I think I learned a lot because I was interested in HOW the car was working, not just the 1-2-3 step to getting it to go, so now I make decisions for gear selection, etc based on what the car/bike is doing. So for some people, they will never truly understand how it works and thus never fully utilize it. One of my best friends recently had to learn to drive stick cause his girlfriend's car is a stick. He called me out of the blue to ask how it worked (MIT computer geek, go figure...) and he said ever since I explained it, he's never had a problem stalling, shifting, etc. He just never had a good mental picture of what a clutch did, etc. Then again there are folks who say "shouldn't I shift when the needle is between the 2 and the 3?" And I say "sometimes" because every situation is different... They hate it when I make them sit with me and a chalk board before I even take them in the car
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My wife killed the brakes (burnt up the whole system riding them) in the mountains in New Mexico. A bit spooky when the pedal goes to the floor without doing anything. I got us out of there and back to town using the automatic transmission D1 and D2 to brake.
I started out using the engine to slow me on the bike, have done it since I first learned to ride. (There was that one time, newbie rider, on wet road, lost traction downshifting just before curve, spent some time with the darling nurses in the hospital...but I digress. I've learned a bit about curves and rain and all since then.)
Then somewhere in the forum someone said it was bad for the transmission. Now I'm using the brakes and holding the clutch, mostly, but I'm confused again. Is it OK to let the engine slow me down a tad (long as the RPM's aren't too high) or is that a bad habit I need to let go?
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wasp,
Definetly use the engine to slow you down, much better control. If someone said it is bad for the transmission, I hope they just meant not to downshift while doing 6krpms. Other than that, shift down, I always do that. More motor braking then brakes probably. I am always in 1st gear by the time I come to a complete stop too.
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Definetly use the engine to slow you down, much better control. If someone said it is bad for the transmission, I hope they just meant not to downshift while doing 6krpms. Other than that, shift down, I always do that. More motor braking then brakes probably. I am always in 1st gear by the time I come to a complete stop too.
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yeah, what they said....
Is it possible that the "bad for the transmission" comment was in the "Clutchless Shifting" thread????? Downshifting without the clutch is bad for the transmission...
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Looked it up--yeah it was in the clutchless shifting thread. Good memory you got there, better than mine. (Just ask my wife <grin>)
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Gary
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Re: Graceful (?) Lowside
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Joined: Jan 2005
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Old Hand
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Old Hand
Joined: Jan 2005
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A really great way to learn this is to get in some miles on an older HD with mechanical brakes. When there is nobody behind me, I often don't touch the brakes on my Triumph at a redlight untill I slow to idle speed in first gear.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Re: Graceful (?) Lowside
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Joined: Jan 2005
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Should be Riding
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Should be Riding
Joined: Jan 2005
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I often only touch the brakes just enough to light my brake light to warn my followers of me slowing.
Benny
Black & Silver '02
Too many mods to list
Not enough miles ridden
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